ALPA dues Q

[Pilotbob3]

Has there been a change recently with ALPA dues in the way they are being charged? Something to do with 401ks?

 

[Whine Lover]

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[Pilotbob3]

Ahhh...yea..sure WL...

anyway...and are dues going down to 1.90% on Jan 1 2014? Thanks.

 

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[Whine Lover]

....ALPA and MESA....SUCK.


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[PCL_128]

Yes, the dues rate goes down to 1.9% next year.

 

[Pilotbob3]

Yes, the dues rate goes down to 1.9% next year.

Thanks, but are dues now going to be taken out of some 401K things?

 

[PCL_128]

Thanks, but are dues now going to be taken out of some 401K things?

Based on your profile, it looks like you probably work for Delta. If so, there's no change for you on how your dues are calculated. The change was mostly for pilots at the regionals and carriers that never had pension plans.

 

[wms]

Or any carrier with a 401k that was deducted tax free. We who negotiated that lost it on account of those who did not negotiate it. Thanks ALPA. Enjoy your raise.

 

[wms]

Thanks, but are dues now going to be taken out of some 401K things?

You now pay taxes on pre 401k deducted income.

 

[Turtle21]

....ALPA and MESA....SUCK.


WL

At least you saved the best of the two for last.

 

[Turtle21]

Or any carrier with a 401k that was deducted tax free. We who negotiated that lost it on account of those who did not negotiate it. Thanks ALPA. Enjoy your raise.

The dubious strategy of Pattern Bargaining proved again.

 

[CEO silly sap]

Just so Im clear,

your dues are calculated based upon income,
your dues calculated pre 401k, across the entire membership
So now all dues are calculated the same way.

Prior to the change,
Dues calculated for some, after 401k dollars are removed.
Other calculated prior to 401k dollars being removed.


Do i understand that correctly

 

[boomlrd]

ALPA Lied again, they claimed dues are going down, when in fact for many of us with a 401k and no pension it is going up significantly. I look forward to the day that ALPA and it's propaganda machine closes it's doors. In house unions are the future, too much conflict of interest in this national union machine.

 

[Nevets]

ALPA Lied again, they claimed dues are going down, when in fact for many of us with a 401k and no pension it is going up significantly. I look forward to the day that ALPA and it's propaganda machine closes it's doors. In house unions are the future, too much conflict of interest in this national union machine.

What is your definition of significant? What dollar amount? Just curious.

 

[boomlrd]

Almost 2% of my 401k contributions will now be taxed by ALPA, that's significantly higher than I pay now, even with the joke 0.05% reduction.

 

[FDJ2]

Almost 2% of my 401k contributions will now be taxed by ALPA, that's significantly higher than I pay now, even with the joke 0.05% reduction.

Good to see that you will now be paying your fair share.

 

[boomlrd]

Good to see that you will now be paying your fair share.

Have you seen Spirit's concessionary contract that we struck for? Our payrates are so far behind everyone else that that 2% makes a difference. My point was that ALPA lied claiming to reduce dues when in fact they are going up.

 

[Jim]

Mine are going down. I don't see it as a lie.

 

[FDJ2]

Have you seen Spirit's concessionary contract that we struck for? Our payrates are so far behind everyone else that that 2% makes a difference. My point was that ALPA lied claiming to reduce dues when in fact they are going up.

My dues are going down and we are now both paying the same effective dues rate.

OTOH, a lesser percentage of my dues comes back to my MEC than yours, a greater percentage of my dues goes to support the ALPA resources your MEC utilizes. I'm o.k. with that because I believe in supporting the efforts of the smaller pilot groups to get a better contract.

 

[PCL_128]

Have you seen Spirit's concessionary contract that we struck for?

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
— Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

 

[boomlrd]

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
— Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

You got your own problems, ALPA screwed you boys over as well. You get to keep paying ALPA dues for 2 more years after they lead you guys to believe that Gary Kelly would give you a better deal if you declined the first. So in a way Air Tran has a "concessionary" contract as well, for a couple more years at least.

 

[PCL_128]

You got your own problems, ALPA screwed you boys over as well.

I was screwed by a lot of people. By SWAPA. By Gary Kelly. By other SWA managers. By 85% of my fellow pilots. But no, not by ALPA.

So in a way Air Tran has a "concessionary" contract as well, for a couple more years at least.

That word still doesn't mean what you think it does, apparently.

 

[boomlrd]

Pinacle_128, Do you get paid directly from ALPA to spout this propaganda?

 

[Dan Roman]

Pinacle_128, Do you get paid directly from ALPA to spout this propaganda?

OK I'll spell it out for you. Concessionary means taking a reduction in benefits or pay. You work at Spirit. thanks to ALPA your pay went up. If it wasn't for ALPA, you would be making less. You, meaning Spirit, are a newbe to this industry. ALPA has a long history of dealing with every kind of attack to the Airline Pilot profession imaginable, not the least has been upstart airlines staffed with pilots willing to work for less just to help their airlines grow. Fair enough, we all have a right to work for any airline we choose (as long it's not crossing a picket line), but to slam the one entity that has done more over time to improve the lot of Airline Pilots and done more to protect the profession during difficult times (yes I said that, if all airlines were non union these last 10 years we would all be making a LOT less) is almost pathologically ignorant and self absorbed.

In other words YOU went to work for an airline that underpays it's pilots. ALPA supported your pilot group in attempt to make things better. You benefited immensely from ALPA's resources AND the intangible support of your fellow ALPA pilots. You are welcome.

 

[Dan Roman]

Pinacle_128, Do you get paid directly from ALPA to spout this propaganda?

It sounds like you are trying to make a dig at PCL by referencing Pinacle??
Care to list the stellar airlines you have worked for that entitles you to disparage someones else's choices?

 

[Dan Roman]

I'm o.k. with that because I believe in supporting the efforts of the smaller pilot groups to get a better contract.

Somehow I don't think he appreciates that.

 

[boomlrd]

You both have no idea what we struck for at Spirit, we do make less than we used to and work more to make the same, that is concessionary! I have the W2 to prove it! We lost all premium pay, that's right, we get straight pay for working on a day off or more than our line! I do not appreciate the efforts of ALPA, raising the retirement age, dues, representing the interests of Delta and United while walking all over the little guy. Spirit first year pay went down by $2 in first year pay!!! That is concessionary! I have both contracts if you are interested in them. Our health care doubled in price and goes up 7% per year! It was a locked in rate, concessionary! Reserve line holders can be moved around up to 12 hours, that was not in the previous contract. Reserve line holders have 3 hours to depart now, it used to be 3 hours to show. Our 401k match is still 8%. I could go on and on, but since you seem to know so much more about our contract than a pilot actually working here and walking the picket line, I will let you judge. Oh yea, you will claim our pay went up, but why is my W2 less? It's called line averaging. BTW, we struck for ALPA, and the socialists that want everyone to make the same and no more than 72 hours a month, except for our MEC members which drop trips pay protected with our dues enabling some of them to achieve over 150 hours a month! Yes that really does happen here at Spirit, so until you actually know what goes on here, leave it to those who actually work here.

 

[PCL_128]

First, I did walk your picket lines. And it wasn't just me, either. You had ALPA pilots from all over this country, including from airlines like Delta and United that you criticize, walking your picket lines. ALPA pilots backed you 110%.

As far as the few areas that you specify, no contract is ever going to have everything in your favor. You're always going to have to give management a few items so they can save face when they give you a CBA that is a radical improvement. And whether you want to admit it or not, your new CBA was a radical improvement over your previous agreement. Single items may not be what you wanted, but the overall deal was much better than your previous deal.

As far as the premium pay, you may want to ask your fellow pilots why they're picking up open time at straight pay instead of refusing to do so and forcing management into a corner to give you back your premium pay.

 

[boomlrd]

First, I did walk your picket lines. And it wasn't just me, either. You had ALPA pilots from all over this country, including from airlines like Delta and United that you criticize, walking your picket lines. ALPA pilots backed you 110%.

As far as the few areas that you specify, no contract is ever going to have everything in your favor. You're always going to have to give management a few items so they can save face when they give you a CBA that is a radical improvement. And whether you want to admit it or not, your new CBA was a radical improvement over your previous agreement. Single items may not be what you wanted, but the overall deal was much better than your previous deal.

As far as the premium pay, you may want to ask your fellow pilots why they're picking up open time at straight pay instead of refusing to do so and forcing management into a corner to give you back your premium pay.

You seem to know more about our contract, so tell me what radical improvement? I keep a copy of both contracts, there were more givebacks, not "pattern bargaining". We gave back premium pay because our negotiators do not like overtime. We struck to show Airtran management how powerful ALPA is, then you guys got bought. btw, we still get less pay than non-union JB pilots on Embraers.