Does anyone know what the UAL min reqs will be?

[Abernathy]

Keep hearing of upcoming UAL hiring but nothing of mins... Any rumors?

 

[SplitBar]

A friend of mine with nearly 6000 hours with many years of 121 Jet PIC was told he didn't meet the mins.

 

[trip]

400 hours and big knobby boobs?

 

[thruthemurk]

A friend of mine with nearly 6000 hours with many years of 121 Jet PIC was told he didn't meet the mins.

Told by whom?

 

[777forever]

It will be near or at ATP mins like Delta and Airways. This will be done in order to hire interns, internal recs, and type rating scholarship winners. Straight from a recruiter.


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[densoo]

This was posted on another board. Some speculated that it may be leftover from previous hiring window and may not be current so take it for what it's worth.

The mins are posted, but they're buried in the Airlineapps.com application. You won't see them until you hit the "compare" option after you've put everthing in, and it'll show a checkbox matrix of the posted mins vs. your qualifications. Then below that is the following text:

Additional Hiring Comments

The following are the minimum qualifications to apply for a pilot position:

· 1,500 hours fixed-wing total flight time
· 1,000 hours fixed-wing PIC time, or 500 hours fixed-wing PIC time and 500 hours fixed-wing SIC time in a turbojet
· 1,000 hours fixed-wing turbine time
· 1,000 hours fixed-wing multi-engine time (civilian or military) or 1,000 hours single-engine military fighter jet time
· Current ATP written exam
· Current first class FAA medical
· Bachelor''s degree is highly desired
· Current Passport
Please note: Your application must be updated at least once in the prior six months to be considered for an interview.

 

[SplitBar]

Told by whom?

UAL hiring reps at a recent job fair.

 

[thruthemurk]

UAL hiring reps at a recent job fair.

As long as the "many years of jet PIC" resulted in more than 1000 hours in the type he is not inelible.

 

[BRA]

I got my first regional job in 2002 with around 1600 total time. Since then 2007 was basically the big year to move on to a major. Some did but I see many that were in college (based on what I see on Facebook) at the same time as me still at regional airlines. I took a chance on Allegiant. I am not saying they made bad choices, I am saying that the last decade in aviation was almost a lost decade for hiring. Either way I have over 10,000 hours and 6000 something turbine PIC, so that means many of my friends from that time frame all have similar numbers. I would assume most have resumes in at Delta and UPS and those larger airlines.

Who you know will help dramatically for those sitting right at the mins.

I would not assume all those 10,000 hour people are front of you. Some are financially buried and some just will not be able to go from 100K/year back to first year pay at any major. They will say they like the seniority, but the reality is they are stuck. (I guess it is a good question about how long you are supposed to delay life waiting for a shot at Delta?) The whole thing is messed up, regional pilots were supposed to fly a metro liner for 25K a year for four years and then move on to UAL, not fly an RJ for 8 years for 100K and then go to UAL for 40K first year.

 

[bladeusa]

A friend of mine with nearly 6000 hours with many years of 121 Jet PIC was told he didn't meet the mins.

i think you have mins confused with competitive..

but even that i would say is incorrect.

if you meet the mins apply and update and network.

 

[eaglesview]

Reality is the published mins have very little to do with what they are actually looking for.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Reality is the published mins have very little to do with what they are actually looking for.

This is it.

Minimums right now are simply knowing the right people. Your flight time, type ratings, PIC turbine, anything like that right now just doesn't matter. At this point, it's all political.

That will change with time, but the people that get hired early will be people with major inside connections. Flight times don't matter.

 

[Maui Jim]

A friend of mine with nearly 6000 hours with many years of 121 Jet PIC was told he didn't meet the mins.

That's unusual. I wonder what they're expecting as far as applicants go. The majority of the Captains I fly with at my airline who intend to move on to a major fit your friend's profile.

 

[xjhawk]

Told by whom?

At the FAFA job fair-one of the United recruiters as they were looking at my resume. I was told that maybe after two years of hiring that I might have a chance. I also heard from a guy that has 10,000 hours and the recruiters told him that he had the most hours of anyone they saw yet at the fair and would pull his resume for a special look.

I know other pilots with my experience level and they were not told they were not competitive at 6,000 hours. So it might have been that one particular recruiter. If they are only looking at 10,000 hour pilots initially-that would be highly peculiar as the hiring practices of all the rest of the rest seem to be going for the low hour types with lots of recommendations

 

[densoo]

If they're looking for just high numbers then that's too bad. As an older and wiser pilot once told me, there are pilots with 10,000 hours, and then there are pilots with 100 x 100 hours.

 

[Mud Eagle]

It will be near or at ATP mins like Delta and Airways. This will be done in order to hire interns, internal recs, and type rating scholarship winners. Straight from a recruiter.

One of the purposes of having such 'low' mins is to allow military guys, especially fighter and trainer guys where 1,500 hours is about what they'll leave with after their 10-year hitch.

 

[Mud Eagle]

If they're looking for just high numbers then that's too bad. As an older and wiser pilot once told me, there are pilots with 10,000 hours, and then there are pilots with 100 x 100 hours.

Or, in the case of some guys with lots of hours doing basic instruction, 1 hour 10,000 times.

 

[xjhawk]

I think its funny that having 1500 hours of Military trainer/jet/Prop would be more desirable than that of an airline pilot that has been flying passengers for 10-15 years.

 

[lookin4better]

One of the purposes of having such 'low' mins is to allow military guys, especially fighter and trainer guys where 1,500 hours is about what they'll leave with after their 10-year hitch.

As it should be.

 

[Mud Eagle]

I think its funny that having 1500 hours of Military trainer/jet/Prop would be more desirable than that of an airline pilot that has been flying passengers for 10-15 years.

Who said anything about "more desirable"?

You may think it is funny, but the people who hire professional pilots for a living certainly think there is value in hiring those pilots.

The reasons why military fighter and instructor pilots are desirable for 121 companies to hire have been hashed out many times on this forum and others.

 

[Dan Roman]

If you are going to start the ridiculous Military vs. civil debate you should consider this.......
Back in the 90's Delta went through a rash of accidents and incidents far greater than any other airline. They had numerous incidents of landing on the wrong airport, a L1011 lost an engine and the crew shut down the wrong engine and came within a 150" of the Pacific Ocean, they had another L1011 fly into a thunderstorm on landing and crash, and the list is longer than that.
Because they had so many more problems than other airlines they were very closely scrutinized by the FAA. Their official conclusion was the reason they had so many incidents was due to the fact that DAL had hired so many pilots with a single pilot only background and they were lacking in multiple crewmember ops.
After extensive observation it was noted that they had poor crew coordination and this is what led to the numerous operational problems. The fix was extensive CRM training for the DAL pilots.
In other words guys, too many fighter pilots who weren't working well as a crew.
Now before you go nuts on me, military pilots are just as good as high time civilian pilots, the high time RJ pilots generally have outstanding instrument flying skills that are the best in business, the ex military pilots are generally very quick learners with great technology skills. I've flown with 1000's of pilots over the years and one is not better than the other. Once you get with an airline, there really is no difference relative to background. I've seen ex fighter pilots that are as good as it gets and the same for ex civilian pilots. What does make a difference is attitude. The cocky ones who think they come from a superior background ironically enough generally turn out to be the weak ones, whether that be civil or military.

 

[Flyer1015]

I think its funny that having 1500 hours of Military trainer/jet/Prop would be more desirable than that of an airline pilot that has been flying passengers for 10-15 years.

Actually, they have a valid point. There are some legacy airlines (that will go unnamed), who truly believe that the more hours a pilot has (especially at or above 10k), and when they've been a CA that long, that they will be un-moldable as a newhire FO at the said legacy. Something about being already set in your ways, and teaching new tricks to old die-hard dogs.

 

[densoo]

what does make a difference is attitude. The cocky ones who think they come from a superior background ironically enough generally turn out to be the weak ones, whether that be civil or military.

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[tomgoodman]

After some experience with the CRM training, it was generally agreed that those who took it to heart were those who didn't need it in the first place, and those who lacked such skills wouldn't learn them in a hundred years of classes.

 

[Dan Roman]

After some experience with the CRM training, it was generally agreed that those who took it to heart were those who didn't need it in the first place, and those who lacked such skills wouldn't learn them in a hundred years of classes.

That seems to pretty universal in this business. The one's who have the rep for the worst CRM are the ones who protest CRM training the most. Kind of like the guys who think their background makes them superior to other pilots are often the weakest pilots.

 

[Lord Wakefield]

I heard it was going to be 350hrs and a Commercial License with instrument rating for civilian trained white males who wear glasses and have so-so college grades because they have been discriminated against for so long..

 

[eaglesview]

A friend of mine with nearly 6000 hours with many years of 121 Jet PIC was told he didn't meet the mins.

Does he/she have a college degree?

 

[list2002]

I heard it was going to be 350hrs and a Commercial License with instrument rating for civilian trained white males who wear glasses and have so-so college grades because they have been discriminated against for so long..

..... ha!

 

[Lord Wakefield]

..... ha!

It doesn't seem so far fetched. After all, it would benefit those who weren't directly affected during the last hiring cycle. AND, after years of no hiring at the majors, there are probably oodles of highly qualified minorities that they could choose from; minorities whose experience far exceeds the experience of those hired in the sixties and even most of those hired in the 80s & 90s.

I think it's high time for a high time minority pilot with a clean record to feel the pain. What goes around should come around.

 

[jonjuan]

It doesn't seem so far fetched. After all, it would benefit those who weren't directly affected during the last hiring cycle. AND, after years of no hiring at the majors, there are probably oodles of highly qualified minorities that they could choose from; minorities whose experience far exceeds the experience of those hired in the sixties and even most of those hired in the 80s & 90s.

I think it's high time for a high time minority pilot with a clean record to feel the pain. What goes around should come around.

ahhhh, the 'ol, "The only reason I didn't get hired was because a lesser qualified minority was hired" excuse. Have fun living your life rationalizing why you continually fail. It IS the american way.