So what are United's new proposed rates?

[becket]

Why the big secret? Anyone?

 

[PCL_128]

Apparently the NMB has them on a gag order. They aren't allowed to release the rates until they've got a finished TA.

 

[Kugelblitz]

They have to finish the TA first. Everything you have read about the deal is total BS. No one knows anything yet.

 

[Patriot328]

I bet it's close to what's been leaked. And it's pathetic.

 

[ualdriver]

I bet it's close to what's been leaked. And it's pathetic.

Which of the 3 or 4 "leaks" are you referring to?

 

[ualdriver]

Apparently the NMB has them on a gag order. They aren't allowed to release the rates until they've got a finished TA.

I have my doubts about any gag order now that the AIP is in place. I suspect it has something to do with Pierce seeking cover from the resolution passed by his pilots requiring them to see any agreement before their MEC votes on it for member ratification.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

I figured it was the typical management tactic to make the press release even though they are not that close (Or everything else is done except the money, which is always takes the longest)

And if their is a TA and the MEC's have voted it would be out, You have to be able to see it to vote on it, unless their is a change a ALPA that states you vote on it now, we'll show you the rest later!

Good Luck,
KBB

 

[General Lee]

Rumor:

1. DAL minus $1 for pay rates
2. DAL Scope
3. Vacation pay 3.25 per day
4. Min Pay per Day 5 Hours
5. B-Fund 16%
6. RETRO 400 Million to be split up with 250 Million at signing and 150 Million at seniority list integration



There is one part that is not included in this rumor, and that is the "100 seat" growth that Delta got (88 717s). At least there was a carrot with growth with the 717s, which are coming and are tied in with the incoming 70 76 seat RJs. (no RJs if no 717s).


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dan Roman]

I have to laugh at so called reliable sources. I in fact do know and MY source was VERY reliable....my neighbor knows a guy whose nephew was college roommates with the brother of a guy who flies for UAL and knows a fellow pilot who was a classmate of one of the guys who was on the negotiating team when they were new hires together. He says........I better not say as they are trying to keep a lid on it for now.

 

[xjhawk]

I have to laugh at so called reliable sources. I in fact do know and MY source was VERY reliable....my neighbor knows a guy whose nephew was college roommates with the brother of a guy who flies for UAL and knows a fellow pilot who was a classmate of one of the guys who was on the negotiating team when they were new hires together. He says........I better not say as they are trying to keep a lid on it for now.

I think I went to college with that guys cousin. He is not telling me anything.

 

[Jetjockey]

I heard it's a pony for every pilot, including retro hay.

 

[ualdriver]

I heard it's a pony for every pilot, including retro hay.

Wait, wait. A Shetland pony or a full sized pony?

 

[trip]

Why did she get a pony?

 

[Crucianpilot]

Rumor:

1. DAL minus $1 for pay rates
2. DAL Scope
3. Vacation pay 3.25 per day
4. Min Pay per Day 5 Hours
5. B-Fund 16%
6. RETRO 400 Million to be split up with 250 Million at signing and 150 Million at seniority list integration



There is one part that is not included in this rumor, and that is the "100 seat" growth that Delta got (88 717s). At least there was a carrot with growth with the 717s, which are coming and are tied in with the incoming 70 76 seat RJs. (no RJs if no 717s).


Bye Bye---General Lee

400 million, not even close to what we deserve. Big no vote!

 

[Uppercrust]

I think it is 40 acres and a mule

 

[ualdriver]

I think it is 40 acres and a mule

Wait, wait. A Shetland mule or a regular mule?

 

[fam62c]

400 million, not even close to what we deserve. Big no vote!

Full retro pay or likely anything near it is a dream that will never come true, the amount is simply too large and it has to come out of cash. It's not going to happen, I'm not aware of any lengthy negotiation where anybody got anything near full retro pay value recently. If you want to wait to get what you think you deserve you will wait for a very long time and you will still not get it in the end. I'm not saying vote yes on a really terrible deal but you have to compare any proposed deal to what you have now, in the end that's the only comparison that really matters. Without a deal your gains are zero and likely to remain that way for a long time. Anyway, good luck, I hope the TA is a decent one and if not I hope you have the leverage to force a better one to surface.

 

[PCL_128]

400 million, not even close to what we deserve. Big no vote!

I'm curious, what do you think you'll be able to get?

 

[densoo]

Full retro pay or likely anything near it is a dream that will never come true, the amount is simply too large and it has to come out of cash.

DAL borrowed $600M, put it in escrow, to be paid to pilots upon completion of contract/SLI. $400M is pennies to these companies.

 

[Iflyamouse]

Rumor:

1. DAL minus $1 for pay rates
2. DAL Scope
3. Vacation pay 3.25 per day
4. Min Pay per Day 5 Hours
5. B-Fund 16%
6. RETRO 400 Million to be split up with 250 Million at signing and 150 Million at seniority list integration

I choose option #6 followed by retirement the next day and a new boat in the islands the next.