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NTSB: Speedbrakes not armed before Southwest 737 excursion

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Speedbrakes not armed before Southwest 737 excursion

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US investigators have determined that the speedbrakes on a Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-700 were not armed before the twinjet slid off the runway at Chicago Midway.

The crew did not deploy the thrust reversers until 16s after touchdown on runway 13C, which was damp as a result of rain showers.
In an update to the inquiry the National Transportation Safety Board says the braking action was reported as "fair" by a preceding Southwest 737 crew.

But it adds that flight recorder information shows the pilots of the incident flight did not arm the speedbrakes during preparations for arrival.
The crew had created extra workload by initially uploading and briefing the wrong approach procedure, and not realising the error until receiving clearance to leave the holding pattern and begin the approach to Midway.
Having reprogrammed the flight-management system for the correct approach, a recalculation indicated sufficient landing distance available. Runway 13C is 6,522ft (1,988m) long.

The crew correctly set the autobrake but the NTSB says the pilots experienced "additional operational distractions" during the final minutes of the approach, including a momentary flap overspeed.

This flap issue occurred at about the time that the before-landing checklist would normally have been performed - a checklist which includes arming of the speedbrakes.

But the NTSB says "no mention" of the checklist or the speedbrakes was found on the cockpit-voice recorder, and the flight-data recorder shows that the speedbrakes were not armed.

After touchdown the speedbrakes did not deploy and the thrust reversers were not activated. The captain "quickly" applied full manual braking after realising that the aircraft was not slowing as expected, says the NTSB, and reverse thrust was engaged with about 1,500ft of runway remaining - an action which automatically deployed the speedbrakes.

"As the airplane neared the end of the pavement, the captain attempted to turn onto the connecting taxiway but was unable," it states. The 737 hit a taxiway light and rolled 200ft into grass.

Without the speedbrakes' interruption of lift, the deceleration capability is "severely degraded", the NTSB says, because the braking effectiveness on the type is reduced by as much as 60%. Delay in the selection of reverse thrust also contributed to the amount of runway used.

Simulations determined that, had the speedbrakes deployed at touchdown,
the 737 would have stopped with 900ft of runway to spare - and as much as 1,950ft if the thrust reversers had been activated at the same time.
None of the 139 passengers and crew members was injured in the 26 April 2011 incident.


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SWA guys, do you have ground callouts like "spoilers deployed", "reverse" by the pilot monitoring? Just wondering what your procedures are. Thanks.
 
SWA guys, do you have ground callouts like "spoilers deployed", "reverse" by the pilot monitoring? Just wondering what your procedures are. Thanks.

The american overrun in Jackson hole was pretty similar although more
Mechanically at fault. The PNF had made the deployed callout but the spoilers had not actually deployed.
 
Boeing factory SOP call "Speedbrake Up" or "Speedbrake Not Up" by PM on touchdown. Problem is that most Boeing operators have extensively modified the SOP's to their own liking. There is a school of thought that returning to factory SOP's is not a bad thing. However, very few operators are willing to do so.
 
It will be interesting to see if SWA incorporates the spoiler/no spoiler and reverse call that AirTan uses. I used to think it was a little redundant until reading this thread. Anyone can have a bad day. It really sucks when two people have a bad day. Even though something may not be SOP or on a checklist, if it's not doing what it's supposed to be doing, you can't be wrong for verbalizing it. SWA may or may not teach "5 green lights" coming over the fence, but I'll use it as long as I fly the 737.
 
They are in the process now to use the spoiler reverser calls. I think its BC Boeing uses it. A few people here already use the 5 green call. I just count 5 at 500ft.
 
Before landing:

"three-green" 'spoilers ARMED'

Touchdown:

"Spoilers UP" 'Two deploy'

Been working so far...

SOP change after AA at LIT
 
SWA just issued a heads up on new callouts to be implemented that will have spoiler and reverse callouts on landing.
 
I'm sure we'll be briefing the external conditions of the aircraft and tire pressure after our walk arounds pretty soon.
 
Why did Boeing design a system where the speedbrakes have to be armed. Canadair RJ are always armed. You land, and they come up, no arming necessary.

I think Boeing need to update a 50 year old design. Pilots will forget to arm them, it has been proven many times.
 
momentary flap overspeed distracted them?? Seems a bit unstable..wonder what their approach stability criterion is?
 
Why did Boeing design a system where the speedbrakes have to be armed. Canadair RJ are always armed. You land, and they come up, no arming necessary.

I think Boeing need to update a 50 year old design. Pilots will forget to arm them, it has been proven many times.
People forget to arm the TR's on the CRJ's all the time as well, talking about a bad design:rolleyes:
 
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I think the in the RJ you always leave the switches on. On the 737 the speed brake handle must me moved to an arm position before every landing. There is a big difference between the two systems.
 
On the 737NG the spoilers will deploy when you go into reverse, whether they were armed or not.

A mechanical do-hicky lifts the spoiler handle out the detent when you go into reverse. An electric motor takes it from there. It's a shame they waited 16s to go into reverse.. That probably would have solved their problem. Or, had they armed the spoilers, they would have deployed at main wheel spin up and along with heavy braking done the job w/o reverse. Both pilots got out of their groove. It's rare but it happens.
 
A mechanical do-hicky lifts the spoiler handle out the detent when you go into reverse. An electric motor takes it from there.

Good thing they didn't ask me about that on the oral . . . I thought the whatchamacallit moved a thingamajig . . . or maybe it was done by little elves. :laugh:
 
"500 feet."

"Final Flaps 30/40, 5 Green lights"

It's that easy.

The Capt involved told me that he normally does "500 ft - 5 green lights. However that day he was doing the RNP approach and on that approach he said that the "Minimums" call occurred just when he would be doing the 500 ft - 5 green. So on that day it wasn't that easy.
 
People forget to arm the TR's on the CRJ's all the time as well, talking about a bad design:rolleyes:

Ok then, you don't have to do anything in the E-Jets with regard to arming spoilers or thrust reversers. Boeing could still do quite a lot bring their best selling product in line with more modern designs.
 
Ok then, you don't have to do anything in the E-Jets with regard to arming spoilers or thrust reversers. Boeing could still do quite a lot bring their best selling product in line with more modern designs.

Like the A340 for example? Well, if you haven't activated the reversers 16 or 18 seconds after landing and you happened to land a little long, you will run out as we saw with AF in Toronto, regardless of a modern auto design or not, sure the arming of the spoilers played a part but the failure to get the reversers right away is the major factor here, the spoilers would have come up with the reverses regardless of being armed or not.
 
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