Learjet 70 and 75

[LJ45]

another pair of Citation killers Meet the Learjet 70 and 75 ....finally

http://www.marketwire.com/press-rel...e-the-light-jet-segment-tsx-bbd.a-1656388.htm

 

[CorpCaptain]

Dropped of the Sales team on their way to Geneva. Was quoted 600pds of thrust per side, Synthetic Vision and increased Zero Fuel weight. They've been flying demos on both for over a year quietly. Its a beast.

 

[jonjuan]

And yet product support will continue to be laughable.

 

[LJ45]

And yet product support will continue to be laughable.

Really, I see no Bombardier products in your profile. I (we) have owned and operated several Bombardier products for over a decade with little issues and constant improvement. Sounds like you are repeating tired old news that doesn't really tell the current state of their support over the last several years.

What facts do you have that their support is "laughable"?

 

[JettBoii]

He was drunk with nothing else to say.

 

["v"]

But it only goes M.75!!!! was that a typo?

cockpit looks pretty slick.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Really, I see no Bombardier products in your profile. I (we) have owned and operated several Bombardier products for over a decade with little issues and constant improvement. Sounds like you are repeating tired old news that doesn't really tell the current state of their support over the last several years.

What facts do you have that their support is "laughable"?

This.

Flew learjets for 3 years and Globals for 5 years. Never had either lose a trip and didn't find any issues with product support. No different than any other brand.

Sounds like more Grumman Internet Turretts Syndrome.

 

[jonjuan]

http://www.ainonline.com/fileadmin/...2011_ProductSupportSurvey_Aircraft_090811.pdf


http://www.anacondaaviation.com/techpages/PDF/use 2010 AIN Product Support survey - use MU2 mrkd.pdf

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...n-2009-product-support-survey-part-1-aircraft

http://www.ainonline.com/fileadmin/template/main/pdfs/Survey08.pdf

 

[400A]

Interesting that they keep referencing the 85, when it is simply an updated 40 and 45.

http://businessaircraft.bombardier.com/en/3_0/3_2/3_2_1/3_2_1_8_1.jsp

 

[LJ45]

http://www.ainonline.com/fileadmin/...2011_ProductSupportSurvey_Aircraft_090811.pdf


http://www.anacondaaviation.com/techpages/PDF/use 2010 AIN Product Support survey - use MU2 mrkd.pdf

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...n-2009-product-support-survey-part-1-aircraft

http://www.ainonline.com/fileadmin/template/main/pdfs/Survey08.pdf

Once again, I'll reference my 14 + years with Bombardier and my direct experience over some survey. And yes, I have flown and maintained other makes and models.

 

[BoilerUP]

Should have called it the 40/45XR+, because that's pretty much what it is; a derivative airframe with updated avionics, engines, and interior appointments, producing marginal gains in climb/cruise/range/payload performance. Just like Cessna has been doing for over a decade.

I bet it will climb like a sumbiatch with the extra thrust, though...

 

[Buz40]

I would hope that for the pilots sake, they found a way to make them more quiet. I got back in a Lear last month for the first time in 6 months and forgot how dang loud those things are. You cant even think in any Lear without headsets.

 

[CorpCaptain]

But it only goes M.75!!!! was that a typo?

cockpit looks pretty slick.

LRC is .75
It's typically an .80 aircraft. With the increased thrust it will be able to reach FL450 in 16min.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

But will it carry enough O2 to stay up there for more than an hour?

 

[doylehargraves]

Dropped of the Sales team on their way to Geneva. Was quoted 600pds of thrust per side, Synthetic Vision and increased Zero Fuel weight. They've been flying demos on both for over a year quietly. Its a beast.

No it's 300 per side actually. And the zero fuel weight is staying the same. The only differences between the 45 and 75 is going to be engines -40BR's, garmin 5000, blended winglets that look funny, and different seats and galley. So, basically engines/avionics. And the 70 will hold the same fuel as 75 (6062lbs). Not much differences really as far as customer is concerned except for that extra fuel on 70. Will be nice to get "modern" avionics though.

 

[wannab0133]

type rating for 70/75

Anyone know if a new type rating will be required for 40/45 pilots? Or is it just differences training?

 

[CorpCaptain]

Anyone know if a new type rating will be required for 40/45 pilots? Or is it just differences training?

3 day differences course.

 

[doylehargraves]

Yea, differences is what we are hearing but, man there are going to be a lot of electrical changes.

 

[Talian]

I would hope that for the pilots sake, they found a way to make them more quiet. I got back in a Lear last month for the first time in 6 months and forgot how dang loud those things are. You cant even think in any Lear without headsets.

Yes and you havent flown the really loud one. The good old 24B. Now thats what a jet should sound like.