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It's been a couple weeks since the initial terrible news. Has the dust settled enough for real info on the company plans for the pilots?
 
28 gone by april 4th, 16 downgrades. 118 to go by years end with 60 downgrades.. next year is anybodys guess at this point.
 
Sorry to hear.
How many total pilots are on the seniority list right now?
 
THE SITUATION...The Situation is that management is incompetent, not forthcoming with truthful information and trying their best to run this place out of business...Thats THE SITUATION...
 
The Av1ator said:
THE SITUATION...The Situation is that management is incompetent, not forthcoming with truthful information and trying their best to run this place out of business...Thats THE SITUATION...
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And that the pilots got gready, bought into the union is everything mentality and drove a stake into the already bad relationship between the pilots and the company!!!!!! We showed them !!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL
 
rigger said:
And that the pilots got gready, bought into the union is everything mentality and drove a stake into the already bad relationship between the pilots and the company!!!!!! We showed them !!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL
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Lay off the drugs, son.......
 
Another chief pilot leaving now to join JW and FC at that "upper tier" flight department. You think they know something?...
 
rigger said:
And that the pilots got gready, bought into the union is everything mentality and drove a stake into the already bad relationship between the pilots and the company!!!!!! We showed them !!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL
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The correlation is pretty clear to those not brainwashed by the union machine...
 
imacdog said:
So would you mind explaining how NetJets employs well over 2,000 pilots?
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This thread has nothing to do with Netjets. The union WAS a contributing factor to CA's demise.

Uncle Warren's bottomless pockets are the true reason behind Netjets' bulletproof status. To be fair, though, your Sales department has identified a price point for your contracts which keeps your Company sustainable.

Netjets pioneered the Fractional industry. You guys trailblazed; we're all grateful for your hard work.

For Pete's sake, cut back on the "everything revolves around Netjets" attitude. We all know that you guys are King of the Hill. Let us have our shot at success in the Fractional industry.
 
says the guy working at Avantair commenting on a Citationaire thread:beer:


PS..if I'm not mistaken you are always one of the first to announce how great Avantair is doing when the rest have had some difficulties of late....
 
AftCG182 said:
This thread has nothing to do with Netjets. The union WAS a contributing factor to CA's demise.

Uncle Warren's bottomless pockets are the true reason behind Netjets' bulletproof status. To be fair, though, your Sales department has identified a price point for your contracts which keeps your Company sustainable.

Netjets pioneered the Fractional industry. You guys trailblazed; we're all grateful for your hard work.

For Pete's sake, cut back on the "everything revolves around Netjets" attitude. We all know that you guys are King of the Hill. Let us have our shot at success in the Fractional industry.
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No, everything does not revolve around NetJets, however if that company can succeed with a unionized pilot work force, then how can one blame the formation of a union (without even a first contract) on the demise of another? The answer is simple, you're simply full of poo.
 
BentOver said:
says the guy working at Avantair commenting on a Citationaire thread:beer:
I emptied my wallet of all my business cards to the crew that I met in VGT at the end of my last tour. Said "pass 'em out to anyone who might need 'em". After hearing the pain in their voices while describing their looming furloughs, I felt compelled to do so. Also, I submitted two ex-CA resumes during my week off over the last couple of days. It is the absolute least that I can do.

I have been preaching Fractional solidarity since my very first posts in the Fractionals thread after being hired at Avantair. Karma's a b1tch. I would hope that the same courtesy would be shown to me if Avantair went t1ts-up (or had a shift in operational strategy).

PS..if I'm not mistaken you are always one of the first to announce how great Avantair is doing when the rest have had some difficulties of late....

I couldn't be more proud of Avantair. We're barely scraping by, busting our azzes, pinching pennies, sucking it up, all in the interest of attempting to elevate our little startup to a level of greatness enjoyed by Granddaddy Netjets. There's not a bit of arrogance in ANY post that I've made here. And (I'm taking a bit of a liberty here) my attitude is shared by our pilot group as a whole. We wish success for everybody. You'd be hard pressed to find a post where I wished ill-will upon someone. Actually, you won't find one, period
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I'm off to bed. Good night. Again, best of luck to ALL of us :beer:
 
Somehow you guys managed to turn this thread into another union thing.
 
Another chief pilot leaves for Phizer. In the past 8 months CA has lost the DFO, Sovereign/X chief pilot, and the now the chief pilot. The top three individuals in flight ops have left.
 
Sparse said:
Another chief pilot leaves for Phizer. In the past 8 months CA has lost the DFO, Sovereign/X chief pilot, and the now the chief pilot. The top three individuals in flight ops have left.
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All to Phizer. Gee, you think the good old boys are looking out for themselves...
 
UAL-GSO said:
No, he left to go work for Phizer a few months ago. He's been bringing his fellow kool aid/management/puppet pilots on board there ever since. These "captains" were the first to bail this sinking ship.
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How ironic. He used to be among the worst at the "You're either with us or agin' us" treatment of pilots. If a pilot leaving for a different job tried to be professional and give 2 weeks notice, he was fired instantly, removed from his tour, and treated like a traitor.

I guess that's what happens when you try to leave "the best job in flying."

Also, pretty sure it's Pfizer.
 
clueless said:
How ironic. He used to be among the worst at the "You're either with us or agin' us" treatment of pilots. If a pilot leaving for a different job tried to be professional and give 2 weeks notice, he was fired instantly, removed from his tour, and treated like a traitor.

I guess that's what happens when you try to leave "the best job in flying."

Also, pretty sure it's Pfizer.
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Yeah, I knew something didn't look right about that. Oh well, Pfizer just made the top of my "never want to work there" list, courtesy of JDW...
 
rigger said:
And that the pilots got gready, bought into the union is everything mentality and drove a stake into the already bad relationship between the pilots and the company!!!!!! We showed them !!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL
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You got that right! We had a GREAT company and all the lying and crap by the pro union crowd finally got them their union.....lol. That worked out great huh? These idiots should be the first to go. I and others said on this very board last year that it would be the end of the company if this fricken union came on board, you can find the threads here. It has come to pass.

Stayed in the best hotels, flew the newest planes, great customers, if you did your job like you were being paid to do you had NO problems with management. If you didn't, management did their job.
 
imacdog said:
No, everything does not revolve around NetJets, however if that company can succeed with a unionized pilot work force, then how can one blame the formation of a union (without even a first contract) on the demise of another? The answer is simple, you're simply full of poo.
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Are you really this uninformed or are you just playing dummy? Uncle Warren was covering the losses and ONLY when they started cutting those costs (brought on BY the union) did they start becoming profitable (so they say....lol). CA didn't have a backing power with the money NetJets owner has. It really is that simple. Do you get it now?
 

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