New Hawaii Regional Airline

[slatsnfive]

Heard today from various concrete sources, that United/Continental Airlines, has, or, placed an order for 20 Q400s, to be used for the Hawaii inter-island market. Apparently a bid also came out recently for the staffing numbers.

Discuss, professionally please.

Thank you,
slatsnfive

 

[Hypoxik]

Funny......

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Q 400's? I heard 787's for inter-island flying...

 

[altimaklr]

New colgan base for 2012

 

[1st Rate]

I heard the new 737 Max! Should be interesting.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Another failure looking for palace to happen.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Is there much icing in the Hawaiian chain?

 

[altimaklr]

Q400 is actually ideal for Hawaii. Perfect stage length/fuel burn. No redeye/late flights, so plenty of time for mx. The problem is HA is very entrenched in that market, and it's not very big.

 

[Poahi]

If you give passengers a choice between a Boeing jet or a turbo prop, they are going to take the jet.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

But if the price is right they won't care.

 

[dingo222]

But if the price is right they won't care.

in hawaii, they do care. jet will always trump the tprop in the islands. it is a cultural thing. doesnt make sense, but thats how it is.

 

[IBNAV8R]

in hawaii, they do care. jet will always trump the tprop in the islands. it is a cultural thing. doesnt make sense, but thats how it is.

Price trumps any other trump. Add to that mix the fact that a carrier is actually feeding mainland flights. If AQ was any indication, the spirit of "kokua", "home-grown" and "aloha" mean nothing next to cheap fares.

$29 inter-island fares and HA will be out like yesterday's Spam.

 

[slatsnfive]

If you give passengers a choice between a Boeing jet or a turbo prop, they are going to take the jet.

Your statement is true for certain places, but, here in Hawaii, PRICE, is the determing factor, not jet or turbo-prop.

Passenger surveys have shown, that local travelers require only two thing when flying inter-island. One, they leave on-time, and two, they get the cheapest fare offered.

slatsnfive

 

[Dan Roman]

Price trumps any other trump. Add to that mix the fact that a carrier is actually feeding mainland flights. If AQ was any indication, the spirit of "kokua", "home-grown" and "aloha" mean nothing next to cheap fares.

$29 inter-island fares and HA will be out like yesterday's Spam.

HA will be "out"? No, they will match the fares on some of their seats and instead of making a decent return on inter-island, they will make less. Even if they operated in the red, the airline would still make money elsewhere. If cheap fares were the key to success in Hawaii, what happened to Mid Pac, Mahalo, Discovery, etc? How come Go is doing so poorly? Nobody has ever succeeded in Hawaii, either inter-island or Trans Pac by offering cheap tickets. All those that have tried have failed.

 

[altimaklr]

HA interisland makes money from commuters who's companies are paying top $$ (doctors, etc) and people who are connecting over the ocean. Locals going to see the fam on another island and paying $45 are just extra $$ to fill the seats. You can't make a business off of those fares.