So ASA(SKW) buys an airline...

[OCP]

And that airline grows, while the buyer shrinks? Not just keeping the airplanes that they have, but pulling more (37 seat?) out of the desert. And that makes money?
But ASA sucks so bad that we lost 14 AC this year. 6 200s(50 seat) and 8 700s.

 

[79%N1]

Yes, and your point?

 

[Nevets]

And that airline grows, while the buyer shrinks? Not just keeping the airplanes that they have, but pulling more (37 seat?) out of the desert. And that makes money?
But ASA sucks so bad that we lost 14 AC this year. 6 200s(50 seat) and 8 700s.

The buyer isn't shrinking. They are adding flying for US Airways.

 

[OCP]

Yes, and your point?

Aren't we all ASA (now Expressjet)? Why no expansion of the CRJ?
Me thinks that they are trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the XJT people by playing nice...

 

[OCP]

The buyer isn't shrinking. They are adding flying for US Airways.

Who? Skywest Inc.? or (former) ASA?

 

[blesko]

Who? Skywest Inc.? or (former) ASA?

(_o_). Bohica Tyfayd

 

[On Your Six]

Aren't we all ASA (now Expressjet)? Why no expansion of the CRJ?
Me thinks that they are trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the XJT people by playing nice...

Oil is well over $100 a barrel now. 50 seaters and high oil don't really mix, thus little expansion.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[On Your Six]

The buyer isn't shrinking. They are adding flying for US Airways.

They did lose some CR7s to Gojets.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[N813CA]

Gojets won't last long with the oil prices either.... Sad but true.

 

[On Your Six]

Gojets won't last long with the oil prices either.... Sad but true.

Unfortunately they will last a little longer because they pay their people less money.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[Nevets]

Aren't we all ASA (now Expressjet)? Why no expansion of the CRJ?
Me thinks that they are trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the XJT people by playing nice...

Maybe it's because the XJT side is more cost competitive?

Who? Skywest Inc.? or (former) ASA?

The buyer. That is what you said in your original post.

Oil is well over $100 a barrel now. 50 seaters and high oil don't really mix, thus little expansion.

Unfortunately they will last a little longer because they pay their people less money.

So what's your excuse for the addition of five 37 seaters to people who are paid more money?

 

[ASAFOE120]

Uh Bobby. Bring me another beer cuz this should be good!

 

[WWEfan]

The Continental CPA's are just more lucrative than the Delta ones. Hard to grow when management agrees to CPA's that decrease in revenue over time while their costs go up.

 

[On Your Six]

Maybe it's because the XJT side is more cost competitive?



The buyer. That is what you said in your original post.




So what's your excuse for the addition of five 37 seaters to people who are paid more money?

I have no idea why they would try that. Probably not very smart. 37 seaters are even more uneconomical with high oil prices. AA Eagle will be dumping most of them shortly according to articles I have read. Maybe they will use them on a corporate shuttle? Face it, if oil stays this high for good, it doesn't look "good" for any 37 seater, let alone 50 seaters. The economics just aren't there. But, someone can always try to prove that wrong.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[crazy8]

And that airline grows, while the buyer shrinks? Not just keeping the airplanes that they have, but pulling more (37 seat?) out of the desert. And that makes money?
But ASA sucks so bad that we lost 14 AC this year. 6 200s(50 seat) and 8 700s.

The buyer hasn't shrunk. ASA did not buy XJT. SKW did (which has been beaten to death already).


Anyway...who knows why one side of the house is growing while the other is not. Soon enough, it all won't matter anyway. Maybe United has a preference of ERJs over CRJ2's.

 

[FishandFly]

The buyer hasn't shrunk. ASA did not buy XJT. SKW did (which has been beaten to death already).


Anyway...who knows why one side of the house is growing while the other is not. Soon enough, it all won't matter anyway. Maybe United has a preference of ERJs over CRJ2's.

Asa didn't buy expressjet? I heard expressjet was on the brink of bankruptcy and ASA purhased it.

 

[www.]

They did lose some CR7s to Gojets.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

Not yet. They have to get approval to increase their fleet.

 

[www.]

Uh Bobby. Bring me another beer cuz this should be good!

But Dad, Xjet 's profit margins have been -6.0 (2007), -8.7 (2008), -6.9 (2009) and -10.9 (2010) per the DOT FORM 41. Isn't this called in the red?

 

[COOPERVANE]

Asa didn't buy expressjet? I heard expressjet was on the brink of bankruptcy and ASA purhased it.

On paper only. Skywest put up ALL......ALL the capital. So REALLY SKYW "bought" Expressjet.

ASA couldn't buy their way out of a paper bag.

 

[Freebrd]

ASA couldn't buy their way out of a paper bag.

well we could in the past, but then DAL bought us, took and spent all the money ASA had, brought their managers over to run the place further into the ground, (remember the use of ASA planes for the ceo personal use?) and then sold ASA to Skyw, even giving that 2nd DAL manager(BL) 600-700K in Skyw stock as his "bonus"), corporate America at it's best

 

[CRJ puppy]

Not yet. They have to get approval to increase their fleet.

That request has already been granted with no limits on further fleet increases. Came through about a month ago, but I'm far too lazy to look for and provide a link to the press release.

 

[Nevets]

Asa didn't buy expressjet? I heard expressjet was on the brink of bankruptcy and ASA purhased it.

No, ASA didn't buy XJT. And XJT wasn't on the brink of bankruptcy.

But Dad, Xjet 's profit margins have been -6.0 (2007), -8.7 (2008), -6.9 (2009) and -10.9 (2010) per the DOT FORM 41. Isn't this called in the red?

Yeah, and you can thank the Skywest pilot whipsaw for the last two and a half years of that.

 

[FishandFly]

No, ASA didn't buy XJT. And XJT wasn't on the brink of bankruptcy.



Yeah, and you can thank the Skywest pilot whipsaw for the last two and a half years of that.

But if they are not making money for the past number of years, it doesn't sound like you guys were doing very well.

 

[FishandFly]

No, ASA didn't buy XJT. And XJT wasn't on the brink of bankruptcy.



Yeah, and you can thank the Skywest pilot whipsaw for the last two and a half years of that.

One other question. If asa didn't buy xjet, why do they own all there stuff now? Name, etc.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Could the 37 seaters be meant to replace E120 flying in Denver and/or LA? Hmm.

 

[JumpersAway]

Just curious Nevets, but if ExpressJet was so solvent, then why did the ExpressJet MEC allow the merger with ASA? All that needed to be done was to continue to push the one list issue, and JA would have walked away, leaving ExpressJet alone to "prosper".

When will people get it through their heads that the purchasing partner has ZERO leverage over the company bought? There is no entitled benefit to buying as opposed to being bought. Legislation passed in recent years has explicitly forbidden winfalls at another employees expense. All this and more brought to you by the USAirways AmWest merger.

 

[Nevets]

But if they are not making money for the past number of years, it doesn't sound like you guys were doing very well.

Re-read what I said. I never said XJT was doing very well. Just pointing out that the last few years of that was thanks to the Skywest pilot whipsaw game JA plays so masterfully.

One other question. If asa didn't buy xjet, why do they own all there stuff now? Name, etc.

Skywest owns all "their" stuff along with all the ASA stuff. Any other silly questions?

Just curious Nevets, but if ExpressJet was so solvent, then why did the ExpressJet MEC allow the merger with ASA? All that needed to be done was to continue to push the one list issue, and JA would have walked away, leaving ExpressJet alone to "prosper".

When will people get it through their heads that the purchasing partner has ZERO leverage over the company bought? There is no entitled benefit to buying as opposed to being bought. Legislation passed in recent years has explicitly forbidden winfalls at another employees expense. All this and more brought to you by the USAirways AmWest merger.

The XJT MEC was weak and rolled over. They saw big $$ with contract negotiations. Fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. I tip my hat to JA. Who knows, they may end up proving me wrong and I hope they do.

Anyways, I don't know why you are ranting about leverage, entitlements, and windfalls. Has nothing to do with what I posted.

 

[Nevets]

Could the 37 seaters be meant to replace E120 flying in Denver and/or LA? Hmm.

I'll believe that when I see it. I believe most of those 120s are at risk pro rate flying.

 

[FishandFly]

Re-read what I said. I never said XJT was doing very well. Just pointing out that the last few years of that was thanks to the Skywest pilot whipsaw game JA plays so masterfully.



Skywest owns all "their" stuff along with all the ASA stuff. Any other silly questions?



The XJT MEC was weak and rolled over. They saw big $$ with contract negotiations. Fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. I tip my hat to JA. Who knows, they may end up proving me wrong and I hope they do.

Anyways, I don't know why you are ranting about leverage, entitlements, and windfalls. Has nothing to do with what I posted.

None Nevets.. I just didn't know you guys were sensitive to who "bought" you. Sorry that I find that humorous.

 

[JumpersAway]

Re-read what I said. I never said XJT was doing very well. Just pointing out that the last few years of that was thanks to the Skywest pilot whipsaw game JA plays so masterfully.



Skywest owns all "their" stuff along with all the ASA stuff. Any other silly questions?



The XJT MEC was weak and rolled over. They saw big $$ with contract negotiations. Fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. I tip my hat to JA. Who knows, they may end up proving me wrong and I hope they do.

Anyways, I don't know why you are ranting about leverage, entitlements, and windfalls. Has nothing to do with what I posted.

The afformentioned was a response to earlier posts. Your so primed to shoot you are firing blindly............

The MEC represents the pilots. Why didn't the pilots, yourself included, make it well known you wished for solvency and continued independence from the SkyWest umbrella? How many of the MEC members that made this desicion for you continue to serve in a leadership role within the XJ pilot union?