US Air "Thanks but no Thanks" email

[Andy]

Sorry to see you got that email. I have no idea of the numbers of applicants or the hours they have. Though the announcement mentions ATP preferred. I would think that with all the retirements coming up, all the airlines will be soon be scrambling for pilots with your time and experience, ATP or not.

Starting 1 Aug 2013, an ATP will be required to be hired by any 121 carrier. http://www.atpflightschool.com/airl.../1500-hour-rule/1500-hour-rule-explained.html

 

[Flyer1015]

1000pic isn't much and very few will get called before 3000-5000Tpic in today's market- it's not 1999 for sure- or even pre age 65 2007. Got any extras to stand out? Check pilot? Multiple types? Jet time? Glass/FMS? Master's? Special projects?

Actually, no. The likes of JetBlue and Spirit (and probably US Air too) are quickly learning that those with 1000+ turbine PIC bail out to "better" airlines (Fdx, SWA, etc) as soon as they start hiring. JetBlue isn't too happy with their bailouts. So, you are seeing tons of FOs or Captains with less than 1000 TPIC getting called. Simply put, these pilots cannot bail out to the likes of SWA or Fdx.

 

[ultrarunner]

... So, you are seeing tons of FOs or Captains with less than 1000 TPIC getting called. Simply put, these pilots cannot bail out to the likes of SWA or Fdx.

To some extent, that's smart hiring...especially if growth is stagnent....

And the new-hires know this, since everyone is up to speed in the industry, so those folks know going in they will likely be in that seat, at that carrier for a fairly long time, or until the hiring mins shift.....

 

[cbrown1]

It's funny, the past few years I've been told I need more pic time before I apply. Now i'm told I have too much.

 

[waveflyer]

Actually, no. The likes of JetBlue and Spirit (and probably US Air too) are quickly learning that those with 1000+ turbine PIC bail out to "better" airlines (Fdx, SWA, etc) as soon as they start hiring. JetBlue isn't too happy with their bailouts. So, you are seeing tons of FOs or Captains with less than 1000 TPIC getting called. Simply put, these pilots cannot bail out to the likes of SWA or Fdx.

Im a bit unplugged these days- but this^^ has been around for a long time, and I haven't ever seen this rumor hold up- but by all means- apply to any job you think you might want, as soon as you can-
Just don't let that convince you that PIC time is not valuable in context to your career. Build a resume that shows you're always learning and always trying to better yourself- don't get too stagnant- and enjoy the ride along the way.

 

[Question4U]

Why the fock would anyone want to go to US Airways?

Because some peoploe can look past tomorrow. People left Southwest in 2000 to go to United, AA etc. It may suck today it a marthon not a sprint try thinking ahead.

 

[Mr Hat]

No he's right.....if "why the fock would anyone go to UsAirways" crosses your mind, please don't apply. Delta's right around the corner.

 

[Dornier 335]

Let's get back to that question in 5 to 10 years ...

 

[Hpilot]

Let's get back to that question in 5 to 10 years ...

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

 

[cbrown1]

I applied a few Weeks ago but I haven't heard back from anyone either case. Did go to a job fair and talked to an he rep, Hope that helps me

 

[jeroom]

Maybe a silly question but, on the application webpage when they ask all the recip. Engine airplanes flown ( PIC and SIC + DUAL). When you add the dual time received, it may also be PIC time too. So did you separate that Dual time from your PIC time? Or did you put the dual time that was also PIC time in both times?
Hopefully I made myself clear on that one...

 

[ackattacker]

Maybe a silly question but, on the application webpage when they ask all the recip. Engine airplanes flown ( PIC and SIC + DUAL). When you add the dual time received, it may also be PIC time too. So did you separate that Dual time from your PIC time? Or did you put the dual time that was also PIC time in both times?
Hopefully I made myself clear on that one...

I don't know the answer specifically, but as a general rule I like to make my numbers add up to avoid confusion. I would make it PIC+SIC+dual received = total time. Interviewers generally don't care about the legal mumbo jumbo regarding logging time, they just want to know what type of experience you actually have. And in this context, dual received is not the same as PIC.

 

[Abernathy]

I don't know the answer specifically, but as a general rule I like to make my numbers add up to avoid confusion. I would make it PIC+SIC+dual received = total time. Interviewers generally don't care about the legal mumbo jumbo regarding logging time, they just want to know what type of experience you actually have. And in this context, dual received is not the same as PIC.

Was a poor way of asking the question in the application. Talked to another applicant and it turned out we both put different kinds of times because we had no idea what they meant by "Dual" especially when they juxtaposed it to SIC. One put dual given and another put dual received.

But I think you're right in that when it all boils down to the nitty gritty, they just want to know what kind of flight experience you've had. So it may not be important either way.

 

[jeroom]

Shout! Now that you mention dual given, I didn't even think of that... I was thinking about dual received.. Arriiite... Gonna have to call thz company directly to get some clarification I guess. Hopefully they'll let me talk to the peeps in charge of this.

 

[JumpersAway]

Shout! Now that you mention dual given, I didn't even think of that... I was thinking about dual received.. Arriiite... Gonna have to call thz company directly to get some clarification I guess. Hopefully they'll let me talk to the peeps in charge of this.

Pleeeze be sure to include lingo inclusive to the words "dude", "bro", and "deetz"..............

 

[PHXFLYR]

What kinda TT and PIC are they wanting?

Dear ******,

Thank you for your interest in the Pilot - First Officer EMB190 position position at our Philadelphia location.

We are fortunate to have many well-qualified candidates. At this time, we have decided to move forward in the selection process with other candidates whose qualifications and experience fit more closely with the position.

Again, we appreciate the interest in our organization. If you are interested in other career opportunities with us, please visit our career site click here or copy and paste this link http://usairways.greatjob.net.

Kind regards,

Recruitment and Selection
US Airways

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With all the hiring that will start taking place this time next year once age 65 retirements commence ,getting a letter like this from USAirways isn't neccesarily a bad thing. Good luck . Something tells me you can do better than USAir.

PHXFLYR

 

[waveflyer]

Get an answer for this- #'s adding up wrong, no matter how non-sensical the wording- may have generated this off a computer or not allowed your app to get past a secretary-
Emerald aviation will know or at least get a friend who flies there to get an answer.
I wouldn't assume a pilot gets to it until its down the line a bit- and even then they're looking for detail oriented professionals whose times add up- not always just a general glance at your basic totals.

Was a poor way of asking the question in the application. Talked to another applicant and it turned out we both put different kinds of times because we had no idea what they meant by "Dual" especially when they juxtaposed it to SIC. One put dual given and another put dual received.

But I think you're right in that when it all boils down to the nitty gritty, they just want to know what kind of flight experience you've had. So it may not be important either way.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Shout! Now that you mention dual given, I didn't even think of that... I was thinking about dual received.. Arriiite... Gonna have to call thz company directly to get some clarification I guess. Hopefully they'll let me talk to the peeps in charge of this.

Dual given is PIC. Dual received is neither PIC nor SIC.

 

[Hpilot]

With all the hiring that will start taking place this time next year once age 65 retirements commence ,getting a letter like this from USAirways isn't neccesarily a bad thing. Good luck . Something tells me you can do better than USAir.

PHXFLYR

I think when 65 hits you're going to see a lot of 8-12yr FOs on the west jump ship. That is unless something happens to unite the west/east and we get a contract. BBWWWWAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA! (wiping tears from eyes). Like I was saying, we'll finally see lots of movement on the west side.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Maybe it might be a good idea to jump ship if your young enough. But if you do, remember that any upgrades will be based on retirements only and therefore a lot slower. There really isn't any growth left in the market. I honestly think the days of the 7 year upgrade are pretty much a thing of the past.

PHXFLYR