Factual SWA/AAI integration data

[Lake Alice]

Can anyone post the SLI details? Inquiring minds want to know. Just the facts please.

 

[shootr]

If you're SWAPA or AT ALPA, you already have it. If you're not, it's all here on FI and the search function works well. Way too complicated of an agreement to post here as an answer.

With that said, the basics are...

- AT guys lose between 2-4 years DOH
- Southwest guys get all 737 CA positions as they transition to Southwest
- AT guys keep all 717 CA/FO positions as long as 717's are at Southwest
- No base protections for either side
- AT 717 guys stay on AT contract for 3 years then snap to SWA pay-rates
- AT guys who transition to 737 come over as FO on SWA FO pay rates and can upgrade after 2015 if they have seniority AND there's a vacancy


What did I miss?

 

[Bill Nelson]

AT guys keep all 717 CA/FO positions as long as 717's are at Southwest

That is close but not exactly correct. The SWA pilots are restricted from bidding the 717 until 2015. In 2015, any pilot on the list can be awarded either seat on the 717 based on systemwide seniority and available vacancies.

 

[shootr]

Correct...I typed too fast and included too little to truly represent the deal. I did say it was complicated, though.

 

[Lake Alice]

Thanks.

I did search but the information wasn't posted clearly.

 

[jester757]

That is close but not exactly correct. The SWA pilots are restricted from bidding the 717 until 2015. In 2015, any pilot on the list can be awarded either seat on the 717 based on systemwide seniority and available vacancies.

Be willing to bet these 717s are gone by then or turned into 737s.

 

[slaquer5]

Be willing to bet these 717s are gone by then or turned into 737s.

How can u turn a 717 into a 73? I am guessing move the engines to hang under the wings

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[Secret Squirrel]

How can u turn a 717 into a 73? I am guessing move the engines to hang under the wings

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You would have to tear out the user friendly automation, make a lot of it manual, and spread it haphazardly around the cockpit while figuring out how to improve the performance on those 1960's wings.

 

[jball2]

Wings are not 1960's. They are completely redesigned. Everything else, well no comment!

 

[Secret Squirrel]

It is not the MD-80 wing. I was told it was the original DC-9-30 wing (design).

 

[jball2]

Sorry, misread that, I thought he was talking about the 737's wings.

 

[humveedriver]

Same wing, more powerful engines. Makes for a neat aerodynamic science experiment watching the amber footers nearly touch.

 

[c9skytrain]

Willing to bet the 717s will be kept longer than most think. Too hard and costly to replace the pop tops 300s, grow int'l and replace the 717s at the same time. Would not be surprised if more 717s were picked up. The lease rates would be pennies compared to a new 737.

 

[tankerhead]

Same wing, more powerful engines. Makes for a neat aerodynamic science experiment watching the amber footers nearly touch.

Headers, footers....what's the difference? Unless you're talking about your options at the pay-by-the-hour hot-sheet HO-tel.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Willing to bet the 717s will be kept longer than most think. Too hard and costly to replace the pop tops 300s, grow int'l and replace the 717s at the same time. Would not be surprised if more 717s were picked up. The lease rates would be pennies compared to a new 737.

Not really. SWA got all the Boeing 737 slots AAI had. Boeing is HAPPY to convert -700 orders to -800s. Additionally, I'm sure Boeing will also be happy to make a deal to take the 717s off your Hans if it means additional 737 orders.

The ONLY issue would be the requalification time frame for the AAI 717 pilots and there are plenty of sim outfits that would sell you the sim time to do it...even AS sells sim time on occasion.

I agree. The 717s will be gone sooner than later. Every AAI pilot who can needs to bid over to the SWA side of the house NOW!