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JipWiz

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Southwest posts 3Q loss on fuel hedges

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By DAVID KOENIG
The Associated Press

DALLAS — Southwest Airlines reported a third-quarter of $140 million because its fuel-hedging bets turned sour when the price of oil dropped over the summer.

It predicted that revenue trends will continue to improve in the fourth quarter.

Fuel-hedging is like insurance against a spike in oil prices, and airlines use the technique to smooth out volatile prices.

But Southwest's hedges lost value when crude prices fell by one-fifth during the quarter. They have since regained some of those losses.

Excluding the hedging losses and other one-time expenses, Southwest would have earned $122 million, or 15 cents per share — a penny better than analysts expected.

With the addition of AirTran Airways, which Southwest bought in May, revenue rose 35 percent to $4.31 billion, beating the $4.17 billion forecast by analysts surveyed by FactSet. Southwest boosted the average fare 7.4 percent, to $142.31, but still packed more people into its planes. The average flight was 82 percent full.

Southwest spent $1.59 billion on fuel in three months, a 71 percent jump from a year ago — the addition of AirTran exaggerated the impact.

Southwest said fourth-quarter costs for each mile it flies will rise slightly in the fourth quarter. That forecast doesn't include fuel spending.

Travel drops off during the fall and winter months, but the real key for Southwest and its competitors is whether that decline will be worse than usual this year because of the stubbornly weak economy.

Southwest indicated that those fears might not come true. Based on October sales and booking, the company said it expects "solid" growth in revenue for each mile that passengers fly in the fourth quarter. That number is a closely watched measurement of demand in the airline industry.

Yet, Southwest also launched a broad and deep airfare sale this week, which could indicate that it has more empty seats than it would like during the dead weeks between Thanksgiving and Christmas, and after the New Year's holiday.

AirTran Airways joined in the sale. Southwest completed the $1 billion purchase of AirTran in May and gained a valuable foothold in Atlanta.

Southwest CEO Gary Kelly said Thursday that the company has already saved $60 million in annual costs by renegotiating AirTran contracts and cutting overhead and expects to eventually save $400 million a year. But Southwest has run into unexpected roadblocks in merging the two carriers, including opposition among union leaders at AirTran to a plan for combining pilot workforces.

Pilots at both airlines are now voting on a new plan for combining the groups. Southwest has raised the possibility of operating AirTran separately if the deal is voted down.
 
A loss is a loss; some will undoubtly try to spin it. The only good part I see is the profit made on day to day operations. The fuel hedges have saved the day in past years, but bit us in the arse this quarter.
 
The hedge losses are paper losses only at this point. It is like saying you have lost money if a stock goes down. You don't lose the money until you sell the stock.

The hedges have less value than they did last quarter so the loss in value was reported. SWA didn't actually lose money.
 
The hedge losses are paper losses only at this point. It is like saying you have lost money if a stock goes down. You don't lose the money until you sell the stock.

The hedges have less value than they did last quarter so the loss in value was reported. SWA didn't actually lose money.

Ahhh yes .....Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain Dorothy...I AM THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE SWA (OZ)
 
SWA will have its day to. They all do.
What goes up most come down.

M
 
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alaska makes as almost as much as SWA LOSES in the 3rd quarter. Wow, 4 times as many airplanes but the performance difference is $240M...IN ONE QUARTER.

Looks like big pay cuts coming at SWA. How's that Kool-Aid tasting now, boys? Good thing those cheesy rayon flag ties are cheap.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
 
Man alive, Herb and Colleen are going to be called out on this one. Maybe they will come out of retirement again (twice in a month?)to go yell at this hedger guy. Not good news at all. Accounting charges come up to bite you every once and awhile, and during the most profitable quarter of the year too? Uh-oh..... big loss and crumbling culture. NOT GOOD.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
As much as I love a good SWA bashing I have to agree with Willie on this one... accounting losses are not the same thing as operating losses. Nothing to see here, really, so long as the operation is generating actual cash.
 
Because of the operating profit, we got a 2% raise instead of a 3% raise. Not exactly a pay cut.
 
Because of the operating profit, we got a 2% raise instead of a 3% raise. Not exactly a pay cut.

Yes, but this quarter is USUALLY the best of all 4. Could this be the START of the END? Could this lead to the start of a bad ending? Could the bad ending start with this bad news? Could your happy endings end thanks to this start of the bad news bears? This all could be scary. Very dramatic, indeed! Regardless, a loss is a loss.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
No matter how they try to spin it, a loss is a LOSS. The easiest way to re-establish profitability in an airline is to cut....wait for it....LABOR costs. And if the God King comes to SWAPA and asks for "relief" wanna bet he gets it?
 
GL, your senseless drivel is tiresome. Go running or jump in the pool or watch porn. Anything is more productive than unleashing your digital diarrhea.
 
You guys are real geniuses. You obviously have no comprehension of mark to market accounting. LUV beat analysts' expectations on the top and bottom line and thus the stock is up 5% on an otherwise flat day.
Yeah, the sky is falling.
 
5% of $8 = $.40. Big deal.
 
Man alive, Herb and Colleen are going to be called out on this one. Maybe they will come out of retirement again (twice in a month?)to go yell at this hedger guy. Not good news at all. Accounting charges come up to bite you every once and awhile, and during the most profitable quarter of the year too? Uh-oh..... big loss and crumbling culture. NOT GOOD.


Bye Bye---General Lee


1. Your airline has lost billions in the last decade. You Declared BANKRUPTCY. Your airline was officially garbage with no way to un-******************** itself w/o ripping off all the people it owed money to. Including its employees.

I think we'll be okay, but thanks for caring.

I believe our profit during the last decade was better than Delta's profit for it's first 75 years.

Yep, we lost money cut and dried.
 
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