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Flyprdu
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Just shut the f*ck up. I don't see any XJ and 9L guys getting downgraded on this list.. in fact, I see quite a few upgrades system wide.
You can try to hold hands and sing kumbaya if you like... but the truth of the matter is that a crime is being committed. A systematic theft of career progression of all Pinnacle pilots hired in 2007 and beyond.
So please, your false platitudes make the bile rise in my throat. Enough.
CFIfornow
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I love the fact that 9E guys hired two years after me get to bid into my position while I get displaced.
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Like Animal Farm, some are more Pinnacle than others it would seem.
A four year original 9E FO was within 50 numbers of a JFK upgrade a year ago. That person is now 250 from JFK and 300 from DTW, 700 from MEM, and 900 numbers from MSP. Without they fences he would be a mid-seniority Q Captain.
Some of Mesaba's Saab captains got it *SO MUCH* worse. I haven't even looked at their numbers yet. Most of the EWR Q captains moved to JFK 200 CA allowing the dregs of the industry, the post-crash Colgan new-hires into the left seat of the Q.
Those Q's that Phil Trenary bought with the sweat and violated contract of the 9E pilot group and other employees. Sickening.
On the plus side, at least the loudest of you got your wish of getting TW in as MEC chair today. This should be interesting.
Be careful what you wish for kids!
A four year original 9E FO was within 50 numbers of a JFK upgrade a year ago. That person is now 250 from JFK and 300 from DTW, 700 from MEM, and 900 numbers from MSP. Without they fences he would be a mid-seniority Q Captain.
Some of Mesaba's Saab captains got it *SO MUCH* worse. I haven't even looked at their numbers yet. Most of the EWR Q captains moved to JFK 200 CA allowing the dregs of the industry, the post-crash Colgan new-hires into the left seat of the Q.
Those Q's that Phil Trenary bought with the sweat and violated contract of the 9E pilot group and other employees. Sickening.
On the plus side, at least the loudest of you got your wish of getting TW in as MEC chair today. This should be interesting.
Be careful what you wish for kids!
So dramatic. We all had losses in this merger. It is time to move on. There is no crime here. This is what happens when we can't all decide on our own integration. I am not placing blame for that, but this industry has ups and downs. I've been furloughed before, I've gained and then lost the flow, I was about to upgrade to the 200 in MSP but then Delta pulled some of the 900's we were going to get. Now, here I am commuting again but I am grateful I was able to hold a captain spot. This will all be a moot point once the legacies start hiring. Everyone will have the chance to upgrade in the next couple three years I bet.
Hang on a second. Am I missing something? I don't see a single ex-9E DOWNGRADE from captain to FO at all. They may have been displaced base or aircraft, but I don't see any downgrades. I see probably 15 ex-Mesaba guys that downgraded. I am not saying they shouldn't have to. I am just saying ex 9E guys didn't get as hosed as many thought, or am I missing something?
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Flyprdu
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They weren't listed. They should be reinstated and redowngraded within the same vacancy.
There's about 10 of us who didn't make the list... but you're right. It should be on there.
As for the XJ guys.. you are correct. There are a handful that lost their positions. The majority chose downgrade over commuting to CA positions they could hold elsewhere in the system.
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Are you talking about the ones that were downgraded on the last vacancy? I don't understand what you are saying.
Flyprdu
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Correct. 11-08 displacees were reinstated to their former positions and then RE-displaced in 11-09.
It's an oversight that we're working on correcting. If only for accuracy's sake.
So, is this a true or false statement? There were a total of 10 displacements from captain to fo on the ex-9E side due to this merger. I honestly think it's true. I just want to make sure my facts are straight.
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Look man, you should seek counseling for this. At least they would act like they care.
The fact is we all are getting screwed somehow....unless you are at colgan.
If you Wikipedia "windfall" a colgan air logo appears.
I seriously doubt that individual posts on ANY internet message boards.
Exactly what will you do when you find out? Taunt him on a message board?
Math shows 8 Pinnacle pilots were lucky to get the upgrade, all were super senior. The rest of the clown show all went to our 'brothers' at Mesaba and Colgan.
Oh, and for those of you at Colgan who were holding your heads high with chests puffing out, talking about staying put on the props, the award spoke the truth. There was a significant amount of movement of Colgan pilots from props to jets, mostly current Colgan Captains, and a few FOs, to CRJ jet captain positions.
Oh, and for those of you at Colgan who were holding your heads high with chests puffing out, talking about staying put on the props, the award spoke the truth. There was a significant amount of movement of Colgan pilots from props to jets, mostly current Colgan Captains, and a few FOs, to CRJ jet captain positions.
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I have no idea who Seven is. I just don't understand the desire to hunt down who he is. Then what? A good example is me meeting Higney. We've bumped heads in the past, may again in the future. But he has helped me in a couple of situations lately, and you know, I have a greater respect for him because of it. I know you've clashed with Seven over the years on an anonymous message board, but in the end you may find out that Seven is a decent guy.
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