Tranny flush bid

[slaquer5]

Hey, did you guys notice that Fubijaakr chimed in on this thread with a random, anti-SWA wisecrack? No? Nobody noticed? Not the SWA guys OR the Airtran guys? Hmmm... I guess that means that we're all starting to come together, and poor Fubi will soon have no one left to play with (other than OYS, that is).

Until the combined SWA-AAI buys Alaska and makes him our bitch! That'll be our rallying cry: "Staple Fubi! Staple Fubi!"

Uh... just kiddin', Fubi. We wouldn't do that. We don't actually want you. Back to the hate locker with you, and back to the thread at hand for the rest of the folks....

Bubba

No way we could staple the alaska pilots no way we could staff 100 737s overnight





O nevermind yes we could in a New York second.

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[hairball1173]

717's are scheduled for conversion starting jan2013. Seats and paint that's it. 5 days to convert searts and 7 days to paint. To costly to remove carts so FA will be crossed trained. 737-800's will use carts so they are ok with 717 still using carts.

First lease expires 2017 with last 2024. Unless there is a deal with Boeing to take them back sooner but we will never know that till the ink is dry.

Cheers

 

[GuppyWN]

Quick question. Did SW want to use a plane painted or decaled for the initial ATL party months ago?

Rumor was a 71 was going to be in SW colors but not allowed due to contract language.

Might explain the new rumor / gossip of 71 not getting SW colors to keep us on it. Goes along with the don't say no or else clause.

Close. They slapped a big ole One Luv sticker on a 737. THAT was in violation of our contract. A Section 1 grievance was filed and settled immediately.

Sounds silly to bitch about a sticker but once the door is opened.....

Gup

 

[Fubijaakr]

Bubba,

Just pointing out reality. Leaning on the idea that there are long leases on the 717 will keep them on board is unrealistic. We had long term leases on the MD-80s, but management negotiated them away when they became a cost burden.

Sorry, Bub, but pointing out the facts doesn't qualify as "hate" speech.

 

[wood pecker]

Thanks for clearing the decal rumor up. I and probaly most of us enjoy seeing a unified group and a CEO that actually respected your contract. (yet no retaliation for saying no.)

In our world, the plane would have been painted and our union would have said fly it and grieve it with the hopes of getting a resolution in 2 years.

 

[scoreboardII]

In our world he did violate the contract. He placed the sticker knowing full well we'd have to balk, we got part of a van out of it.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Bubba,

Just pointing out reality. Leaning on the idea that there are long leases on the 717 will keep them on board is unrealistic. We had long term leases on the MD-80s, but management negotiated them away when they became a cost burden.

Sorry, Bub, but pointing out the facts doesn't qualify as "hate" speech.

The original comment was someone mentioning people having a fear of being furloughed. You chimed in that that fear would "be realized sooner rather than later." So you weren't JUST pointing out likelihood of keeping 717s through their full leases, were you? you were taking a jab, insinuating furloughs were coming. And while I agree that particular comment doesn't qualify as hate speech (it's more of the "always-being-a-pain-in-the-ass-for-sh&ts-and-giggles" speech that you're famous for), you've got enough hateful barbs in your history to consign you to the hate locker for life. Although perhaps it IS a start in the new and improved, less-hateful Fubi. Stranger things have happened.

Most likely is that if GK does get rid of 717s early, he'll have replacements (most probably more 737s, obviously) for them. He didn't spend all that money buying Airtran to just park the planes, get rid of employees, and not fly the routes. He did it to grow the company and make more money. Remember? Southwest actually makes money every year. That may be a concept alien to your company. He still has all the new cities and routes to service (although obviously, there'll be optimization to turn Airtran structure into Southwest structure). Unless something really radical and bad happens on a national level, no one will get furloughed. Pretty much standard Southwest operations, chugging along.

The real surprise is I seem to be the only one left to engage you. Everyone else ignored your comments and kept with the point on the thread. Wow. Look how far we've come in our relationship, Fubi...

Bubba

 

[Fubijaakr]

Of course he won't just park 'em. But you have to admit one of the big reasons he bought AAI in the first place was the Boeing order book.

I wasn't really referring to furloughs, just the fact that the 717s could be deleted sooner than some AAI pilots think.

 

[PCL_128]

A lot of senior captains are talking of bidding 737 FO. They have different reasons. Some are doing it for fear of furloughs taking place on the AirTran side of the partition, so they want to be on the SWA side as early as possible. Others are doing it to be closer to home, since the 717s will only be based in ATL and probably TPA or MCO. I've even heard a few guys in the top 10% saying that they're bidding 737 FO. I wouldn't be shocked to see 100 of our senior FOs get upgrade slots out of this.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Thanks for clearing the decal rumor up. I and probaly most of us enjoy seeing a unified group and a CEO that actually respected your contract. (yet no retaliation for saying no.)

In our world, the plane would have been painted and our union would have said fly it and grieve it with the hopes of getting a resolution in 2 years.

Hey, retard... stop gulping with happiness. That CEO just violated a contract called Process Agreement that he signed when he promised not to integrate your a$$.

 

[jonjuan]

In our world he did violate the contract.

And they gave him the middle finger in response. Nothing like filing a grievance against your master.

 

[redflyer65]

Nice try at spinning the event. Just doesn't work. No middle finger... just business. You have a hard time understanding that.

 

[MRW]

Back to the original post: this is the biggest sticking point for the SWA F.O.s. If SWA moves +10 vacancies into BWI,MCO or any other east coast base then 10 AAI senior dudes take those slots. Then the next month the vacancy becomes -10 due to seasonal downgrades, our 10 most junior domicile F.O.s just got displaced to the west coast. These are the guys that just spent 3 years commuting west. With no right of return to the domicile these guys will never see a east coast base again until well after all AAI folks are on property.

 

[Fubijaakr]

These are the guys that just spent 3 years commuting west. With no right of return to the domicile these guys will never see a east coast base again until well after all AAI folks are on property.

Oh well...its called the Law of Unintended Consequences.

 

[humveedriver]

Back to the original post: this is the biggest sticking point for the SWA F.O.s. If SWA moves +10 vacancies into BWI,MCO or any other east coast base then 10 AAI senior dudes take those slots. Then the next month the vacancy becomes -10 due to seasonal downgrades, our 10 most junior domicile F.O.s just got displaced to the west coast. These are the guys that just spent 3 years commuting west. With no right of return to the domicile these guys will never see a east coast base again until well after all AAI folks are on property.

Nah. It's not a sticking point. Your top FO's become Captains! What could be better than that? They will be replaced by 11-18 year AT Captains who will cash in their old AT seniority for the only thing that it is good for. Senior FO in domicile of their choice. Thats the irony over this deal versus the last proposal. In the last proposal the AT pilots got paid SWA wages without impacting SWA pilots QOL. Now SWA FO QOL will be impacted. I was good with either scenario. But it illustrates why GK wanted to just keep us in our seats, minimize the movements. But the end result will be more SWA pilots commuting either as a junior Capt for the seat/pay or junior FO outbid by former AT Capt during vacancy expansion.

 

[dicko]

Nah. It's not a sticking point. Your top FO's become Captains! What could be better than that? They will be replaced by 11-18 year AT Captains who will cash in their old AT seniority for the only thing that it is good for. Senior FO in domicile of their choice. Thats the irony over this deal versus the last proposal. In the last proposal the AT pilots got paid SWA wages without impacting SWA pilots QOL. Now SWA FO QOL will be impacted. I was good with either scenario. But it illustrates why GK wanted to just keep us in our seats, minimize the movements. But the end result will be more SWA pilots commuting either as a junior Capt for the seat/pay or junior FO outbid by former AT Capt during vacancy expansion.

True.

In the last deal the AirTran CA's became the most junior Reserves at the worst bases for 10 years. There was still the same number of upgrades for the SWA FO's, but they'd never sit RES at the undesirable bases.

Now, they'll be losing their bases as senior AirTran guys move into the spots created. Many of these new SWA FO's from AirTran will be above 50% seniority.

On the bright side, some SWA guys get to upgrade and go to OAK.

Strange days are these.

 

[wood pecker]

Fly by, after re-reading my post it did seem too cuddly. I do realize what happened regarding the PA and I too am ticked that agreements meant nothing.

In my attempt to move on I was looking at a positive that both GK and Swapa respected each others agreements but now I know the decal was not correct either so I retract that post.

Getting over the retard comment you made will take it's toll. At least I can look forward to seeing all the Culture posters in our crew room today when I go to work. My favorite is the one placed in the hall that says own it. Better than getting a voice mail from scheduling.

 

[madjack]

On the bright side, some SWA guys get to upgrade and go to OAK.

LAS is the junior base...I believe

 

[PCL_128]

And they gave him the middle finger in response. Nothing like filing a grievance against your master.

Would you prefer that a union not a file a grievance when their contract is violated?

 

[fam62c]

Back to the original post: this is the biggest sticking point for the SWA F.O.s. If SWA moves +10 vacancies into BWI,MCO or any other east coast base then 10 AAI senior dudes take those slots. Then the next month the vacancy becomes -10 due to seasonal downgrades, our 10 most junior domicile F.O.s just got displaced to the west coast. These are the guys that just spent 3 years commuting west. With no right of return to the domicile these guys will never see a east coast base again until well after all AAI folks are on property.

Couldn't SW management minimize this problem by opening up a new, good quality base or two like Denver? Would that draw senior people and create openings at the other bases in the system? All the AT 737 people who are getting pushed out of ATL, MKE and MCO will have to go somewhere, I would think that maybe SW will need a new base to absorb the refugees created by this. Maybe when the transition starts that would be a good time to open it. I don't understand the SW basing model so maybe this wouldn't help, I don't know. Also keep in mind that the majority of the AT pilots will be on the 717 in ATL and another base that has yet to be announced. These pilots will be locked into this plane and it's (two) bases (and AT 717 rates until 2015 even after they cross the fence and are SW pilots) so they will be unable to exercise their system seniority. SW pilots will not be affected by them until into 2015 when they are free as their locks expire. By then the only SW pilots who should be affected will most likely be people who are not even on the property at either company now and are junior to everybody involved in this deal.

I can see the point of the SW FO's and that would not make me happy either but plenty of junior AT FO's will be forced out of their home bases, their aircraft and will become commuters with no access to the SW bases. For these folks their QOL will go way down in many cases with no compensation increase to offset this until 2015. There's no way for everybody to win in this deal right off the bat, there may have to be some inconvenience and hardship for some folks on both sides for awhile.