iPad Policy

[2-o'sinGoose]

What do you guys do for each airplane with the iPad? I'm looking for the best way to delegate and make sure the iPad is charged and updated for each flight without being ocd sop for them.

Designated charging station? Or assign it as PIC duty?

Thanks Guys

 

[Rick James]

We don't have a policy as each pilot has an iPad and is responsible for it, and it's expected use. I have never asked the guy sitting next to me if his charts are current as I just assume they are. If it runs out of batteries we just charge them up in the galley.

 

[semperfido]

No policy. Each guy was given an allowance (1K) to by the one he wants. His responsibility from there on to keep it up to date. Charging not really an issue. Don't over think something so simple.

 

[2-o'sinGoose]

As of now we are getting one per airplane... 3 total. I wish we could get one per pilot it would take the math out of it. However given the circumstance it is a bit more challenging. It will be a community shared iPad and a task to make sure its up to date/ready for the next flight.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

As of now we are getting one per airplane... 3 total. I wish we could get one per pilot it would take the math out of it. However given the circumstance it is a bit more challenging. It will be a community shared iPad and a task to make sure its up to date/ready for the next flight.

Who does the Jepps now? Not much different about an iPad...its just a chart viewer. You can add all the gimmicky apps you want....some find them useful, others don't.

Like SF said, don't complicate something so simple...not much to "prepare" for its next flight.

The extent of our department admin work is a quarterly meeting tracked via our SMS. Its a one pager template. One of the boxes is Aircraft Documents/Charts/Ipads up to date....ask everyone if their iPad us up to date with Jepps, Ops Manual, AFM, etc....check box, done.

 

[2-o'sinGoose]

Would you guys recommend the 16 or 32 gig?

 

[semperfido]

16 is fine, but they paid for a 32, so that's what I have. Used to have a 16 iPad #1 and it held all I could throw at it. Worldwide Jepps, manuals, Qrh's etc etc, no problemo.

 

[LJ45]

I am having a hard time buy off on the IPAD thing, without power in the cockpit for them. JMHO

 

[guido411]

As of now we are getting one per airplane... 3 total. I wish we could get one per pilot it would take the math out of it. However given the circumstance it is a bit more challenging. It will be a community shared iPad and a task to make sure its up to date/ready for the next flight.

One per airplane, I don't see the point. I know Part 91, not required, yadda yadda yadda, but are you carrying paper back ups? If yes, forget the ipads. If no, what happens when battery dies, one doesn't make it on the airplane, etc?

Spend the money to do it right or stick with paper.

 

[semperfido]

I am having a hard time buy off on the IPAD thing, without power in the cockpit for them. JMHO

the charge lasts "forever" . Just charge it while you sleep at night. or maybe you don't sleep. in any case, a power source is a non issue.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I am having a hard time buy off on the IPAD thing, without power in the cockpit for them. JMHO

The only time mine ever died was after a break in flying (2+ months) as it sat in my bag on standby.

If you don't have a power source in the cockpit my guess is you fly shorter legs? 2-4hrs?...power wont be an issue. In airplane mode as a chart/flight plan viewer, mine is still at 75-80% after an 11-12hr leg.

iPad - about the cost of an average small batch of mediocre catering. It's nothing to analyze over and easy to try out.

 

[2-o'sinGoose]

What data plans would you recommend? Verizon 3 gig or att 2 gig?
What all apps do you use and what aircraft documents were you able to put on there? Thanks again!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

What data plans would you recommend? Verizon 3 gig or att 2 gig?
What all apps do you use and what aircraft documents were you able to put on there? Thanks again!

GoodReader will store anything you have in PDF just fine.

We also use it for flight plans, get the Arinc (or whoever) package via pdf....W&B, perf, APG, wx, etc.

We have not used the ATT data package at all (or very little?) as I have always found wifi at hotels or our office.

 

[semperfido]

I get the $15 per month AT&T data pkg and don't use it much, but like to have it because when I want access, I have it.

 

[gern_blanston]

GoodReader will store anything you have in PDF just fine.

We also use it for flight plans, get the Arinc (or whoever) package via pdf....W&B, perf, APG, wx, etc.

We have not used the ATT data package at all (or very little?) as I have always found wifi at hotels or our office.

What he said. We didn't even get data plans for ours, and so far I've never said, "Crap, I wish I had data." Every FBO, every hotel, the house, the hangar, all have wi-fi.

 

[bizjet800]

For part 135 there are a ton of rules. There has to be training for crews, a 6 month "trial" period in which you have to carry paper charts. They have to be charged to a specific level before departure, they have to be EMI tested per airplane, they have to be serial numbered per airplane, they cannot be yoke mounted without an STC, if no yoke mount, they must be "secured for critical phases of flight," which means they have to strapped to a kneeboard..to name a few.

Part 91, very few rules.

 

[minitour]

For part 135 there are a ton of rules. There has to be training for crews, a 6 month "trial" period in which you have to carry paper charts. They have to be charged to a specific level before departure, they have to be EMI tested per airplane, they have to be serial numbered per airplane, they cannot be yoke mounted without an STC, if no yoke mount, they must be "secured for critical phases of flight," which means they have to strapped to a kneeboard..to name a few.

This is not entirely accurate.

We don't have a minimum charge requirement nor a kneeboard requirement nor a serial number requirement.

That said, we have yet (in very few flights with the new company) to take the iPads out of the chart cases. Usually we just use the MFD.

-mini

 

[bizjet800]

This is not entirely accurate.

We don't have a minimum charge requirement nor a kneeboard requirement nor a serial number requirement.

That said, we have yet (in very few flights with the new company) to take the iPads out of the chart cases. Usually we just use the MFD.

-mini

It is true, it MUST be on a kneeboard or secured during critical phases of flight, assuming you are using it for primary charts. (Google InFo 11011) The 8900 addresses that it has to be charged. If you are to plug it in during flight, it becomes a Class II device with a whole new set of rules.

 

[minitour]

It is true, it MUST be on a kneeboard or secured during critical phases of flight, assuming you are using it for primary charts.

The AC doesn't specify kneeboard. Just securing the device. Our approved program is based on placing the units where we'd normally put one of about twenty jepp binders. You can probably fit three in there, though we only carry two.

That's all I was saying is that you are not required to use it as a kneeboard. As long as you have a way to secure it from movement during a critical phase of flight you're good. That means it has to be secured when the wheels roll onto the pavement and also when they separate from the pavement. So at 200', the PM slides his unit into the slot (giggity) and after "gear up yaw damp on" the PM removes his unit from the slot (giggity goo). No kneeboard. It's magic.

-mini

 

[bizjet800]

It must be "secured and viewable"

http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...afety/info/all_infos/media/2011/InFO11011.pdf