SWA yes vote:

[ivauir]

Did you do a joint contract first, before the SLI? No. Who did and was successful the first time around? What did the latest arbitrated result say about lower paying Colgan blending in with higher paid jet Captains? You are the one who needs to look this up. Precedent could be used.



OYS

Some people believe you should be familiar with all the moving parts before formulating an opinion. I guess when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Possible is the key word.

Again, you are correct concerning the integration. However the steps to that point, negotiations, mediation, and arbitration, are set in stone. Where is it described differently than in the process agreement. Sounds like more baseless threats as some of you feel as if you are running out of options. Redflyer gets it as displayed in his post as he mentions arbitration, is he wrong?

 

[Full of LUV]

Because we already have a contract OYS...what don't you understand? The trannies can help us craft the rest NOW, or we can get the ISL from the arbitor and SWAPA will craft it for them. And before someone jumps up and down and says I'm threating them...I'm just stating the way it's setup.

Just shows how clueless you are about what's going on here OYS.

RF

This appears to be the difference. According to you it's SWAPA and SWA vs. AAI ALPA.

In DAL/NW case it was basically DALPA & NWALPA vs Mgmt. So the ALPA groups used the "savings" of integration to achieve contract improvements for the whole group of pilots in the end.

SWAPA (through your posts) seems to be saying, we don't want anything to integrate with AAI from mgmt except help by putting our boot on their neck.

Hope for the industry sake your strategy works out. A divided SWA will not serve the profession for anyone else.
LUV

 

[ASADFW7]

This is a stupid thread, a waste of time.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

This is a stupid thread, a waste of time.

Only This one?

 

[redflyer65]

According to you it's SWAPA and SWA vs. AAI ALPA.

I'd say SW management might be providing some tailwinds to SWAPA, wouldn't you? If not, you're more than welcome to your opition, but I'd say you might want to open your eyes.

Or is it SWAPA vs AAI ALPA and SW? How many times has AAI ALPA met with SW management?

Push SW management too far and see how that works out for you...I have a pretty good feeling it won't.

You want to call it a boot on the neck, I call it negotiation leverage. It's just the fact of how things are set up.

 

[Kharma Police]

I'd say SW management might be providing some tailwinds to SWAPA, wouldn't you? If not, you're more than welcome to your opition, but I'd say you might want to open your eyes.

Or is it SWAPA vs AAI ALPA and SW? How many times has AAI ALPA met with SW management?

Push SW management too far and see how that works out for you...I have a pretty good feeling it won't.

You want to call it a boot on the neck, I call it negotiation leverage. It's just the fact of how things are set up.

You and the other like minded individuals have exhibited nothing that resembles the great Southwest culture. Southwest Management is embarrassed by you.

 

[redflyer65]

Kharma,

You quoted me...tell exactly which part I got wrong? Not because you may or may not like it, but just the facts. (PS- I would have never used the term 'boot on your neck', but your guy did.)

RF

 

[Kharma Police]

Kharma,

You quoted me...tell exactly which part I got wrong? Not because you may or may not like it, but just the facts. (PS- I would have never used the term 'boot on your neck', but your guy did.)

RF

If you or the others were sitting in Gary Kelly's office, would you think he would be happy or embarrassed with your posts about us?

 

[Muppets]

If you or the others were sitting in Gary Kelly's office, would you think he would be happy or embarrassed with your posts about us?

Good point! Dont let Dad know your screen name.

 

[shootr]

You and the other like minded individuals have exhibited nothing that resembles the great Southwest culture. Southwest Management is embarrassed by you.

You do not have a true understanding of SWA culture, at all. IF it goes down how some guys have told you it might, that would be exactly what SWA culture is and has always been. It's not all roses and kumbaya. It never was.

shootr

 

[SWA/FO]

If you or the others were sitting in Gary Kelly's office, would you think he would be happy or embarrassed with your posts about us?

Gary would feel bad for you guys. All this tough talk, from FOs with as little as 4 years seniority...is going to help him move onto plan b.

This is NOT a sure thing. You guys act as if this is a done deal, its not.

It wouldn't be worth it to Gary to have 6000 angry Pilots. He would and will back us, if he is pushed into a corner. Question is: how much do you push? I don't think ALPA has that figured out.

 

[Kharma Police]

Gary would feel bad for you guys. All this tough talk, from FOs with as little as 4 years seniority...is going to help him move onto plan b.

This is NOT a sure thing. You guys act as if this is a done deal, its not.

It wouldn't be worth it to Gary to have 6000 angry Pilots. He would and will back us, if he is pushed into a corner. Question is: how much do you push? I don't think ALPA has that figured out.

I'll give you some friendly advice because I like you but I know you won't follow it; I would stop posting on this forum.

 

[redflyer65]

If you or the others were sitting in Gary Kelly's office, would you think he would be happy or embarrassed with your posts about us?

Kharma,

If you don't want to debate the FACTS in front of us, then that's cool. Trying to pull the 'your Daddy would be ashamed' card is extremely weak.

Re-read what Shootr wrote. SW culture has many different facets that you may not understand.

RF

 

[SWA/FO]

I'll give you some friendly advice because I like you but I know you won't follow it; I would stop posting on this forum.

Thanks for the advice Karma Police.

 

[Ty Webb]

Cheers, Big Ears! :beer:

 

[On Your Six]

Gary would feel bad for you guys. All this tough talk, from FOs with as little as 4 years seniority...is going to help him move onto plan b.

This is NOT a sure thing. You guys act as if this is a done deal, its not.

It wouldn't be worth it to Gary to have 6000 angry Pilots. He would and will back us, if he is pushed into a corner. Question is: how much do you push? I don't think ALPA has that figured out.

That is why GK may like the arbitration option, anyone mad can just blame the arbitrator. When it's binding arbitration, it will be out of his hands. And Wall Street wants this deal done. Pulling out of the deal just won't be that easy. You are over estimating your power, again. Just do the arbitration and get it over with. You seem certain of your position in this merger and what should happen, so just go with that. It may work out for you.



OYS

 

[SWA/FO]

You are over estimating your power, again.

I don't believe that is the case here.

 

[redflyer65]

That is why GK may like the arbitration option, anyone mad can just blame the arbitrator. When it's binding arbitration, it will be out of his hands. And Wall Street wants this deal done. Pulling out of the deal just won't be that easy. You are over estimating your power, again. Just do the arbitration and get it over with. You seem certain of your position in this merger and what should happen, so just go with that. It may work out for you.



OYS

Interesting how wrong you are on every single point. Wow. You could not be any less informed.

RF

 

[flynvixen]

Interesting how wrong you are on every single point. Wow. You could not be any less informed.

RF

That's because the ALPA job killing machine and their loud mouth legal eagle's have promised the AT guys that they are entitled to every thing they want and the SWAPA guys will be happy to take nothing from this sh#$t sandwich we have had forced on us.

I can assure you that the SWAPA group will have no problem voting no on any deal that hurts any SWAPA pilot on the property.

Skywest airlines owns ASA and the two have no plans to get into bed and if SWAPA is presented with a bad deal SWA will own AT via Guadalupe holdings and the two never have to be combined.....look it up.....read it and weep but if SWAPA and SWA agree to keep the two groups apart the arbitrator and his ruling will have no power of say in the matter

the AT guys should take the staple and be happy with the big pay raise and stop trying to steal what is not theirs.

Staple staple

 

[Bob Dylan]

That's because the ALPA job killing machine and their loud mouth legal eagle's have promised the AT guys that they are entitled to every thing they want and the SWAPA guys will be happy to take nothing from this sh#$t sandwich we have had forced on us.

I can assure you that the SWAPA group will have no problem voting no on any deal that hurts any SWAPA pilot on the property.

Skywest airlines owns ASA and the two have no plans to get into bed and if SWAPA is presented with a bad deal SWA will own AT via Guadalupe holdings and the two never have to be combined.....look it up.....read it and weep but if SWAPA and SWA agree to keep the two groups apart the arbitrator and his ruling will have no power of say in the matter

the AT guys should take the staple and be happy with the big pay raise and stop trying to steal what is not theirs.

Staple staple

Well said. Nothing but greed motivating the senior trannies.

It's sad to watch. I garauntee the trannies will be begging to be stapled after they blow their wad but by then it will be too late.

Take a staple now and enjoy!

 

[kwick]

If arbitration results aren't implemented
GK might end up in jail and SW would
be sued out of existence.

Not gonna happen.

Take DOH now, with fences to protect
The AT/SW Captains, or face relative
seniority.

Your Call!

 

[SWA/FO]

If arbitration results aren't implemented
GK might end up in jail and SW would
be sued out of existence.

Not gonna happen.

Take DOH now, with fences to protect
The AT/SW Captains, or face relative
seniority.

Your Call!

Standby.... Is US Airways CEO in jail?

 

[rajflyboy]

Pipe Dream

 

[hairball1173]

NO: He was arrested for DUI and spent the night in the slammer.

 

[greenpilot]

When skywest bought ASA they never intended to merge the two airlines. They didn't come out to wallstreet and tell everyone they were going to merge these two airlines into one. Swa has always said this is going to be one airline. Remember all the "one luv" GK talked about? There is a big difference when a company buys another company with the intent to merge the two versus one that buys another as an investment and never intends to combine the two.
I am not saying GK will or will not back swapa, but there is a big difference between swa/aai and skywest/ASA

 

[dicko]

Standby.... Is US Airways CEO in jail?

I don't think that's the standard that any of us is hoping for. Is the DUI CEO that's running one of the worst airlines in the US your minimum standard ?

Or is it where you'll go to get a little taste of; "But what do we get out of it" ?

 

[scoreboardII]

I think his point is NO CEO has ever gone to jail for events concerning employee relations.

 

[On Your Six]

Interesting how wrong you are on every single point. Wow. You could not be any less informed.

RF

Point them out. It's great you state I am wrong, but you don't add why I am? Is it a secret? It must be, in your head. Guess what? I heard you were totally wrong, and that a deal that you may not like could be in your immediate future, plus or minus 5 months.


OYS

 

[dicko]

I think his point is NO CEO has ever gone to jail for events concerning employee relations.

I dont think the 'Haiku poster' was driving at employee relations