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Four more air controllers suspected of sleeping on the job, government says

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DieselDragRacer

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WASHINGTON – At least four more air-traffic controllers are suspected of nodding off on duty at three separate airports across the nation, the government said Wednesday.

A medical plane carrying an ill patient was forced to land on its own early Wednesday at Reno-Tahoe International Airport when the lone controller in the tower fell asleep, the Federal Aviation Administration said. The controller, who has been suspended, was unresponsive to radio calls and other communication attempts for 16 minutes, the agency said.
The FAA announced that it is also investigating a controller who fell asleep Monday at Boeing Field/King County International Airport in Seattle and two controllers who were unresponsive at Preston Smith International Airport in Lubbock, Texas, on March 29. The agency had earlier revealed that an air-traffic supervisor fell asleep March 23 at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport and a controller slept for five hours at McGhee Tyson Airport in Knoxville on Feb. 19.

As the incidents pile up, sleep experts say it demonstrates that the agency faces a systemic issue with the thousands of people expected to work through the night in safety-critical jobs. Scientific research shows that workers on midnight shifts make more errors because it is so difficult for the body to adapt to sleeping during the day, they say.

“I would guess that this is one of those things that has been going on for some time and it is just now coming to attention,” says Greg Belenky, who heads the Sleep and Performance Research Center at Washington State University in Spokane.

Belenky and others say the answer is to allow controlled napping, but the FAA so far has balked at similar suggestions for airline pilots.

Wednesday, the agency said it would add a second controller at 26 airport towers and one other air-traffic center on overnight shifts where controllers had been allowed to work alone. The agency last month added a second controller overnight at Reagan National.

“I am totally outraged by these incidents,” Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said in a statement.

Top FAA and air-traffic union officials will also tour facilities across the country to reinforce the need for “professionalism,” the agency said.
 
If LaHood is so outraged about controllers falling asleep, isn't it tome he took a look at the ever-rotating shifts that prevent them from getting proper rest?
 
I get really tired of the media attacking our aviation brotherhood. Nobody is perfect. I think we should smear all these reporters.
 
Is it just me or all of you pilots morons!

Controller fatigue? What about pilot fatigue?!

15 years of fighting for Flight/Duty regs, a Congressional mandate to address it by July 2011 after 49 people die, the maximum amount of feet dragging Babbit can muster, and still no change.

But the controllers are getting the issue resolved in weeks verse the pilots taking decades without any progress!

Were is the outrage? Were is the concern? What are the thoughts!?
 
Is it just me or all of you pilots morons!

Controller fatigue? What about pilot fatigue?!

15 years of fighting for Flight/Duty regs, a Congressional mandate to address it by July 2011 after 49 people die, the maximum amount of feet dragging Babbit can muster, and still no change.

But the controllers are getting the issue resolved in weeks verse the pilots taking decades without any progress!

Were is the outrage? Were is the concern? What are the thoughts!?
If the NWA pilots who overflew MSP had both fallen asleep instead of been on their computers then the rest NPRM might be FAR by now.

But you have a great point. If ALPA-N or maybe Sullenberger would go on a news cycle and state a couple of points like, controllers are limited to xx-hour duty days and they're tired. Pilots can go up to 16. Do you see a problem with that?

Controllers can take a break or a rest during their 8 hours on duty. Pilots can fly for eight hours and the only break is to slip out for a bathroom break while the other pilot gets to wear an O2 mask to enable him to miss the next clearance. See a problem?

Maybe the FAA chief who can change an FAR and bypass the RLA--overnight for cryin out loud--to change the staffing requirements in towers could do a little something for the flying public in implementing pilot rest rules that make sense. I guess he could go on the Sunday talk shows tomorrow and say, effective immediately, that pilots are required to get 10 hours of behind-the-door rest. Companies, deal with it.
 
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It's chess, not checkers.

You guys can vote republican and cash your union check- but stop the ********************ing complaining about the consequences of that.
We haven't had movement bc we ******************** ourselves politically-

"Sleeping during breaks has been attacked by some lawmakers, including Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., the influential chairman of the House Transportation Committee."
 
It's chess, not checkers.

You guys can vote republican and cash your union check- but stop the ********************ing complaining about the consequences of that.
We haven't had movement bc we ******************** ourselves politically-

"Sleeping during breaks has been attacked by some lawmakers, including Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., the influential chairman of the House Transportation Committee."

Nice way of taking a thread and turning it in to your own political agenda.
So, seeing the democrats have done to our country with debt, unemployment, foreign affairs, and now the attack on our currency, I'll vote as an AMERICAN first, then a union worker. Your arrogance has turned in to extreme foolishness.
 
Is it just me or all of you pilots morons!

Controller fatigue? What about pilot fatigue?!

15 years of fighting for Flight/Duty regs, a Congressional mandate to address it by July 2011 after 49 people die, the maximum amount of feet dragging Babbit can muster, and still no change.

But the controllers are getting the issue resolved in weeks verse the pilots taking decades without any progress!

Were is the outrage? Were is the concern? What are the thoughts!?

The Controllers don't have lobbyists going after any rule changes with $$$$$. It will cost airlines millions of $$$$$$$ if the rules change, whereas the controllers will just have to hire a few more, and it will cost the government more money, not the airlines. That is the problem. But, the constant news stories about sleeping ATC means it will be tougher to justify NOT changing the rules for sleeping pilots too. Anyone caught sleeping on the job will help bring along rule changes.


OYS
 
Nice way of taking a thread and turning it in to your own political agenda.
So, seeing the democrats have done to our country with debt, unemployment, foreign affairs, and now the attack on our currency, I'll vote as an AMERICAN first, then a union worker. Your arrogance has turned in to extreme foolishness.


Agreed.
 
Nice way of taking a thread and turning it in to your own political agenda.
So, seeing the democrats have done to our country with debt, unemployment, foreign affairs, and now the attack on our currency, I'll vote as an AMERICAN first, then a union worker. Your arrogance has turned in to extreme foolishness.

Well, sorry you don't like my two cents- but I'll keep up saying it-

And voting republican is about the least patriotic thing any person could do - IMO.

But back to what I actually said- republicans are anti-labor are they not. They absolutely don't support us- so my only point is and has been that if you feel our concerns as airline pilots in a safety function are valid- but still feel compelled to vote republican- could you maybe get more active and convince republican politicians to support us in our unique case--
But I stand by my chess, not checkers comment- I don't believe in political coincidences
 
Well, sorry you don't like my two cents- but I'll keep up saying it-

And voting republican is about the least patriotic thing any person could do - IMO.

But back to what I actually said- republicans are anti-labor are they not. They absolutely don't support us- so my only point is and has been that if you feel our concerns as airline pilots in a safety function are valid- but still feel compelled to vote republican- could you maybe get more active and convince republican politicians to support us in our unique case--
But I stand by my chess, not checkers comment- I don't believe in political coincidences

Ahhhh, the voice of reason. Cause the dems are so pro-labor. Let it go. They both suck. Dems just suck more.
 
And IMO repubs "suck" more- yes - dems are much more pro labor- that's not even debatable if you deal in facts. They just don't feel te need to help pilots bc the vast majority of us our outspoken opponents of dems.

Don't want this to devolve into partisan ignorance "MY TEAM IS BETTER THAN YOURS""YOUR TEAMS SUCKS MORE THAN MINE!!"

We're all pilots and all Americans- just don't convince yourself that this isn't political- does anyone think that controllers just all of a sudden started having fatigue issues??
 

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