Is Vision Airlines off the ground yet?

[RoughAir]

I guess they might be called a regional (start up). Haven't heard much fanfare about them. Fares promised were supposed to be super low.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Yup saw a 737 & 767 in VPS this week along with a couple D-props.

 

[Friend]

they had interviews last month for pilots on the donier. U have to pay your own ticket to get there in vegas, then rent a car and drive to their office and stay there for 3-4 days, all expensives on your own and then they put you in a sim 737.
This Airline is a JOKE!!!!! the pay is horrific, starting FO is 16/hr who knows what they pay on the 737

 

[SLUF4]

they've been around for like 20 years...

 

[Cpt Oveur]

They have a lucrative account with Uncle Sam. Look up Extraordinary Rendition...

 

[BoilerUP]

Flying in and out of SDF daily...

 

[ualdriver]

I am sure they will pay a competitive wage for their narrowbodies! Wait! They won't be able to pay a decent wage because of one of the following reasons:

Because they're just starting out
Because they have a great relationship with management
Because their schedule allows them to be home every night
Because they will be getting stock options instead
Because it's ALPA's fault they have to work for Vision in the first place

I am sure I missed a few. Feel free to add your own.

 

[damnflyboy]

I am sure they will pay a competitive wage for their narrowbodies! Wait! They won't be able to pay a decent wage because of one of the following reasons:

Because they're just starting out
Because they have a great relationship with management
Because their schedule allows them to be home every night
Because they will be getting stock options instead
Because it's ALPA's fault they have to work for Vision in the first place

I am sure I missed a few. Feel free to add your own.

Race to the bottom!

 

[waka]

Because they're just starting out

they've been around for like 20 years...

Again, they're not a start-up.

 

[ualdriver]

Again, they're not a start-up.

Yes, I am aware. However their new Allegiant-esque growth plans, if they work, will bring them to the attention of the industry if they are successful. And if they are successful and start hiring pilots, I would bet money it will be at an undercutting wage. Those pilots will then be on this forum using one of the excuses I listed above to explain why they don't deserve to be paid like other narrowbody pilots. How could I possibly know this? Hmmm.....

I forgot to add one to my list as well:

"We only have a few airplanes so how could that possibly affect anyone else's pay rates?"

 

[clr4theapch]

Mod note: Obviously a LCC carrier for the LCC section, moving this from the regional section..

 

[hawkerflyer]

Flying a 767 out of VPS. Oh yeah, that's a money maker.

 

[EatinRamen]

It's so funny to me how everybody has to hate on other airlines. Lot's of mis-information about Vision out there.

Hey "Friend," just about every place I've interviewed with, I had to pay my own way if the airline didn't fly to my home city and I also had to pay for my hotel. Tell me how many places out there pay for hotels for people coming in for an interview?

And also, the hourly pay may seem low, but Vision offers pilots a base salary plus an hourly rate for each hour/credit flown. This place is far from perfect, but for a charter airline now becoming a scheduled carrier, pay on the 737 is pretty competitive.

So hate all you want, we're just trying to make a living and hoping that our airline is successfull.

 

[thunderworm]

I agree with ramen. people seem to post stuff they have no idea about. Instead of complaining abut how vision brings other airlines down which they don't why not try to get your airline pay up and give reason for others to follow.

 

[johnsonrod]

How was JetBlue's pay when it started? Pretty dang low...

 

[viper01]

Can we 121 guys/girls jumpseat on Vision?

 

[EatinRamen]

Can we 121 guys/girls jumpseat on Vision?

Yes! We take all 121 pilots and fa's. You can list at the counter or ask the gate agent. If the agents aren't sure, ask to speak with the captain. We carry jumpseat forms in the cockpit just in case our contract handlers aren't familiar with our procedures.

 

[viper01]

That's great news. I live in the area of VPS.

 

[SonicPig]

Yes! We take all 121 pilots and fa's. You can list at the counter or ask the gate agent. If the agents aren't sure, ask to speak with the captain. We carry jumpseat forms in the cockpit just in case our contract handlers aren't familiar with our procedures.

Check your PM's.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Yes, I am aware. However their new Allegiant-esque growth plans, if they work, will bring them to the attention of the industry if they are successful. And if they are successful and start hiring pilots, I would bet money it will be at an undercutting wage. Those pilots will then be on this forum using one of the excuses I listed above to explain why they don't deserve to be paid like other narrowbody pilots. How could I possibly know this? Hmmm.....

I forgot to add one to my list as well:

"We only have a few airplanes so how could that possibly affect anyone else's pay rates?"

But don't the Allegiant pilots now have higher pay rates than your UAL pilots?
Why yes, yes they do. In fact, even if they took a pay cut with that stupid sliding scale, they'll still have higher pay rates than you. Maybe Vision will make more too.