All furloughed East pilots have been recalled.

[MCDU]

The East operations at USAIR no longer has anybody on furlough.The list is done. Pilots are being interviewed from the wholly owns. (PSA and Piedmont). Lots of movement. Many pilots are leaving on LTD instead of early retirement. Sick time is also being used up. Expect much movement on the East and stagnation in the West.

M

 

[JetMonkey]

Why do you say stagnation on the west? There's movement on both sides.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

He wants to start another East vs West Thread.

Good to hear things are moving again. But East will definitely move faster than West, they're older over there.

 

[Dornier 335]

But East will definitely move faster than West, they're older over there.

Especially intl ops in PHL!

 

[Hutchman]

Pretty easy to get through the list when most have been hired by other airlines that may have a better outlook. How many came back vs offered recall. How long are their recall rights good for?

 

[OnTheDole]

when you say all have been offered a recall... Do you mean a recall to group 2 aircraft or just the E190.

If its just the E190 then thats no big news but if its group @ aircraft of better then the sh_t or get off the pots letters are coming...

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I know for a fact that there have been many recalled to Grp 2. The latest indoc class for returning pilots I think it was 2 or 3 out of 15 or 16 went to the 190 everyone else was headed for the 737.

 

[MCDU]

when you say all have been offered a recall... Do you mean a recall to group 2 aircraft or just the E190.

If its just the E190 then thats no big news but if its group @ aircraft of better then the sh_t or get off the pots letters are coming...

This includes group 2. The East list is done.

M

 

[zymotic]

I believe about 2/3s came back. My entire class accepted the recall (not winning!). There are a few who have training contracts on file that can accept recall at a later date but the rest had to return or resign.

 

[Citjok]

The east side will see a LOT of movement (old farts gone) when the age 65 hits. Hopefully before that.

 

[C Festerpuss]

Em ole farts will be gone before then. Remember the East has up to 1500 hours in the sick bank. That means that someome with a full bank can sick out this June and walk out the door in Dec. 2012 with no sick time in the bank (full pay for sick time) The company is only offering $13.50 for left over sick time.

Why would anyone in their cottin pickn mind take that deal. Use it up at full value and walk out the door with zero. Everbody is gonna use their sick time so the real rush for the door starts this summer.

 

[becket]

East movement was going to happen regardless of the seniority arbitration. There are...maybe 5 West pilots willing to live in Philthy or the land of Billy Graham and the bible thumpers. It's all irrelevant really.

Everybody knows their place on the Nic. The only list that will ever be used outside of LOA 93.

 

[get2flyin]

Em ole farts will be gone before then. Remember the East has up to 1500 hours in the sick bank. That means that someome with a full bank can sick out this June and walk out the door in Dec. 2012 with no sick time in the bank (full pay for sick time) The company is only offering $13.50 for left over sick time.

Why would anyone in their cottin pickn mind take that deal. Use it up at full value and walk out the door with zero. Everbody is gonna use their sick time so the real rush for the door starts this summer.

What he said.

 

[LearLove]

Pretty easy to get through the list when most have been hired by other airlines

The handful (10 or so) of pilots I know who were furloughed in 08/09 did not find other flying jobs. In fact some of them couldn't find employment regardless of career field due to the economy/jobs/unemployment (>10%).

 

[Bringupthebird]

Em ole farts will be gone before then. Remember the East has up to 1500 hours in the sick bank. That means that someome with a full bank can sick out this June and walk out the door in Dec. 2012 with no sick time in the bank (full pay for sick time) The company is only offering $13.50 for left over sick time.

Why would anyone in their cottin pickn mind take that deal. Use it up at full value and walk out the door with zero. Everbody is gonna use their sick time so the real rush for the door starts this summer.

I don't know, how about when the company has a reasonable suspicion that they aren't really sick and pays for them to go to a doctor that also says they aren't sick and then the company fires them and keeps the sick bank. I would think the sick-out thing would dry up pretty quickly.

But keep the good ideas coming!

 

[ackattacker]

I don't know, how about when the company has a reasonable suspicion that they aren't really sick and pays for them to go to a doctor that also says they aren't sick and then the company fires them and keeps the sick bank. I would think the sick-out thing would dry up pretty quickly.

But keep the good ideas coming!

That would never happen. Lawsuit central. Besides most 63 1/2 year old pilots already have a laundry list of medical issues which might suddenly need to be disclosed on their medical application. For the others, there's always:

Doctor... I feel dizzy sometimes.

Doctor... I see double.

Doctor... sometimes I feel like killing myself.

EAP Hotline? I'm an addict and I need help.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

The East operations at USAIR no longer has anybody on furlough.The list is done. Pilots are being interviewed from the wholly owns. (PSA and Piedmont). Lots of movement. Many pilots are leaving on LTD instead of early retirement. Sick time is also being used up. Expect much movement on the East and stagnation in the West.

M

Doosh:
Great news! Does that mean your boyfriend st. nic finally gets off reserve on the 190 after 25 years as an f/o?:laugh:

 

[Bringupthebird]

That would never happen. Lawsuit central. Besides most 63 1/2 year old pilots already have a laundry list of medical issues which might suddenly need to be disclosed on their medical application. For the others, there's always:

Doctor... I feel dizzy sometimes.

Doctor... I see double.

Doctor... sometimes I feel like killing myself.

EAP Hotline? I'm an addict and I need help.

Lawsuit? It's in the contract they agreed to (wait that doesn't mean anything!). If those guys want to go down the path of EAP and psych/medical evaluations for the next year and a half just to rip off the company, they will probably regret getting involved in such fraud.

Remember, if the company does fire them after they disclose bogus medical info, how can USAPA get them reinstated?

Is Seham handing out medical advice now??

 

[ackattacker]

Lawsuit? It's in the contract they agreed to (wait that doesn't mean anything!). If those guys want to go down the path of EAP and psych/medical evaluations for the next year and a half just to rip off the company, they will probably regret getting involved in such fraud.

Remember, if the company does fire them after they disclose bogus medical info, how can USAPA get them reinstated?

Is Seham handing out medical advice now??

The lawsuits come when they try to get aggressive and end up going after someone with a legitimate medical issue. Juries would love to hear about how management tried to drag some 64 year old geriatric with a heart problem back into the cockpit to fly their love ones around.

Sure there's a process in the contract. So you go through the process, get your doctor's note and that's where it ends. *Your* doctor, BTW. End of story.

As for "ripping off the company"... I'd say they earned their sick time. Besides... you know what else is in the contract "the pilots agreed too"?? A pension.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

As for "ripping off the company"... I'd say they earned their sick time. Besides... you know what else is in the contract "the pilots agreed too"?? A pension.

Fantastic Quote.

 

[OnTheDole]

there's always:


Doctor... sometimes I feel like killing myself.

I know it's wrong... but that made me laugh.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Me too.

 

[Bringupthebird]

The lawsuits come when they try to get aggressive and end up going after someone with a legitimate medical issue. Juries would love to hear about how management tried to drag some 64 year old geriatric with a heart problem back into the cockpit to fly their love ones around.

Gotta love that east perspective (the nicest way I could think of putting it). No, the jury would love to hear how all these pilots at one carrier all seemed to become medically unfit to fly at exactly the same time. The case before the jury would be fraud and it woud be a slam dunk.

But you bring up a good point with regard to the pensions. The east pilots wet their pants at the prospect of losing their jobs and voted to give away their pensions in exchange for the priviledge of working for the lowest pay rates in the industry for the rest of their careers. If they were to see their fellow criminal comrades being fired with 17 months left to go and losing everything, they would fall in line as they have in the past, get a fresh set of Depends on and keep snoring across the North Atlantic, grumbling about ALPA, of course.

Sorry, as the eastie refrain goes, you gotta wait your turn. You won't stay junior forever!

 

[Bringupthebird]

It would be hilarious to see Cleary begging the old farts to stop calling in sick while the junior pukes are circling USAPA HQ with torches and pitchforks! All for promising what you knew you could never deliver.

 

[Green]

slightly off topic but here's an interesting bit of info

A senior Q-400 Captain at Horizon makes $121 an hour.

A senior East A320/737 Captain Makes $125 an hour.

I would guess that the Horizon CA has much better work rules as well.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

There's plenty of opportunity on the west for guys who would do the same thing. Most west guys actually like to fly, though. Probably has something to do with the higher pay, better benefits and work rules.

Oh, and there are only about 30 west furloughees who have not yet been offered recall, and that will probably happen soon.

 

[xrated]

I do believe there will be a mass exodus out east, but not because of sick bank. Not because of LTD or age 65. The only thing a lot of Easties are holding on to is the Snap Back arbitration. When they lose that, they're going to leave in droves. The East will then see the light and either accept the Nic, or bask in LOA 93 FOREVER!!!

 

[xrated]

slightly off topic but here's an interesting bit of info

A senior Q-400 Captain at Horizon makes $121 an hour.

A senior East A320/737 Captain Makes $125 an hour.

I would guess that the Horizon CA has much better work rules as well.

Thats great news. Being that senior East Captains are making commuter wages, we can get rid of Mesa and just use senior East pilots to fill the void...Call it "Mesa East". Being that Mesa probably has better benefits and work rules than "LOA 93" East Pilots, getting rid of Mesa and using East Pilots under "LOA 93" would save the company a mint.

 

[surfnfly]

I guess you forgot about the senior guys on the 757/767 and 330 that are making more than $125/hr closer to $165 for the 330.

 

[Bringupthebird]

So it only take 30 years to approach the earning power of a 3 year SWA F/O? Cool. Why aren't more people applying to USEast?