NMD at ASA

[bigshooter107]

Got a call about this little jewel yesterday, NMD on a reserve schedule. It means no min day credit for a reserve pilot. Part of the PBS agreement. It's one thing when a line holder picks up a trip that he/she knows is not worth min day but for a res guy to get assigned that while struggling to break 75 is pretty crappy.

 

[asayankee]

Got a call about this little jewel yesterday, NMD on a reserve schedule. It means no min day credit for a reserve pilot. Part of the PBS agreement. It's one thing when a line holder picks up a trip that he/she knows is not worth min day but for a res guy to get assigned that while struggling to break 75 is pretty crappy.

If that's true there better be a grievance filed on this yesterday! A reserve has no control over whether or not a trip is split.

 

[Plainsman]

Fight the good fight, no one else cares until they are on reserve.

 

[Medeco]

got a call from who???

If you are going off what scheduling clerks told you...

 

[bigshooter107]

got a call from who???

If you are going off what scheduling clerks told you...

Another captain. Saw the sked.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

What does "Rainmaker" show? SkedPlus, trip pairings, and Rainmaker tend to show different things.

I have a hard time believing that a reserve would lose out on Min Day Credit.

 

[79%N1]

This had BETTER NOT be true! If so, that is the BIGGEST bunch of crap ever handed down and EVERY reserve had best call their reps and the JCBA group immediately! Reserves have NO control over being assigned a trip, and ALWAYS have been assigned broken up trips! To rip them off of min day is REPREHENSIBLE!!!

 

[Medeco]

I'm betting that rainmaker is putting it in this way, and they are hoping you wont catch it, or they are too stupid to realize it is happening.

I'm sure we will hear about it being another "glitch" in the system.

 

[johnpeace]

3. Pick-up, Swap, and Trade Minimum Day Pay Application
2
3 a. A pilot initiating and awarded the split of a pairing will not be entitled to
4 minimum day credit. The splitting of a pairing with open time or the
5 splitting of a pairing on his final schedule will result in a pilot not receiving
6 minimum day credit only on the day(s) in which the split occurred.
7
8 b. A pilot will receive minimum day pay credit if the Company initiates a split
9 of a pairing in open time.

This is from the PBS LOA..

 

[Stifler's Mom]

How are NMD pairing even showing up for reserves? Did somebody pick one up, then call in sick for it?

8 b. A pilot will receive minimum day pay credit if the Company initiates a split
9 of a pairing in open time.

So let's say a pilot splits up a trip, then calls in sick for it. Technically the company didn't "initiate" the split. Hope that's not another one of those loopholes big enough to drive a truck through.

 

[bigshooter107]

I would say u could put a Nimitz class aircraft carrier though it.

 

[Brasilia Pup]

I have already brought this issue to the attention of the ALPA reps on the ALPA board. I have had a pairing or two with NMD on it and it is BS to assume a reserve gets NMD for something he/she has no choice in accepting. The ALPA reps are aware of this loophole and say they are addressing it...and the check is in the mail and the van is on the way...uh huh...

 

[the palm]

This is exactly why we need concrete language in the next contract.

 

[sunlitpath]

How are NMD pairing even showing up for reserves? Did somebody pick one up, then call in sick for it?



So let's say a pilot splits up a trip, then calls in sick for it. Technically the company didn't "initiate" the split. Hope that's not another one of those loopholes big enough to drive a truck through.

Nice reference. Furthermore, company wide sickout if this tripe stands. Reserves are not whipping boys.

 

[Brasilia Pup]

Reserves are not whipping boys.

I don't know, sometimes after a trip, I can hardly sit down after being scr*wed by scheduling. Today's reserve = slavery.

 

[Av8trix616]

I'm pretty sure I've created this scenario- I split some legs off of a trip, then traded the NMD'd trip for a company posted trip in open time. I think my old trip then appeared in company open time as NMD.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I don't know, sometimes after a trip, I can hardly sit down after being scr*wed by scheduling. Today's reserve = slavery.

If it is slavery, they why are you here? I wouldn't voluntarily stay in slavery...Only an idiot would stay enslaved...Set yourself free man!

 

[BigPappa]

Joe we should always fight for better! Regional pilots should work more self respect.

 

[OCP]

If it is slavery, they why are you here? I wouldn't voluntarily stay in slavery...Only an idiot would stay enslaved...Set yourself free man!

It's more like indentured servant. You are not technically a slave, but you are stuck in a position where there really isn't anywhere else to go.

Oh and Joe... Maybe you should shut the F up about all you know about what it's like being on reserve these days. You have NO idea. Blah Blah "it was so much worse in our days..." Blah... Riiiigghhtt. "You have so many better work rules... " When there is NO staffing, NONE of those rules apply. If you think it's so great these days, then just bid one month of it and enjoy the experience.
Leave these guys alone when they vent. It's all they have. You really have no reason to get down on them as you enjoy your cushy line.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Here's to general Joe.