Alaska Air Group $262.6 million profitin 2010

[ImbracableCrunk]

On the bid effective 4/1/11 we had 1443 pilots on the seniority list and 1277 on base position lists. Based on the the base position list number we're running just under 12 pilots per plane and we're short right.

We can't be short. Otherwise they wouldn't have furloughed. Duh!

16 planes X 12 pilots/plane = 192 pilots

192 pilots - 44(?) furloughees = 148 newhires + attrition



Are the Muckity Mucks trying to work out a training LOA?

 

[SRMairlines]

26 orders (15 New) - 42 options (options are delivery positions - before announcement we had 38 options)

read the 8Ks

 

[mach none]

Scope

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Scope? Pffft. A nice EMB-195 flown by Alaska Air Express would be a much more profitable.

 

[Snapshot]

Sorry to hear that, guys.

SCOPE! SCOPE! SCOPE!

Without it nothing else matters!

Why does it suddenly smell like camel in this tent?

"No big deal, it's only five horizon planes they are paying someone else (NON UNION, no less) to fly!!!!" They didn't even try to make it look better by making them find their own planes. They are GIVING THEM HORIZON PLANES TO FLY!!!!!
Every single person who justifies this will also tell you how illegals jumping the border and sending jobs to India are so horrible, just are just too stupid to grasp that it's the same thing.

Next move: "We need to allocate our valuable resources elsewhere, so we're going to pull mainline planes out of Spokane (or Sacramento, or wherever)"...Alaska Express can do it cheaper.
What's that? Skywest or Mesa or whomever put in an order for emb 195's? That could save a lot of money.
400's get retired and not replaced.......
Ask every single pilot who has ever given up scope how it worked out for them.
If you aren't ready to STRIKE over this in two years, all is lost.

What's that? Do the exact same thing and Leaseback the new 900ER orders to Allegiant or Virgin for slave wages? Hey, it's not Air Group operational control, so no problem.

 

[wingit]

we didn't give up scope. it's my understanding that we've never had it, and it wasn't even possible on the last negotiations. maybe someone who knows more about it can enlighten me. next round of negotiations is just around the corner though.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

we didn't give up scope. it's my understanding that we've never had it, and it wasn't even possible on the last negotiations.

It was possible, it's just that for some reason, it was not stressed.

I guess they were to busy making sure VSA was possible with pilots out of work.

 

[tico]

This freight train has been coming down the track for years......and only 199 of us saw it for what it was........watch how fast that order goes away with the rise in fuel cost.....and how quickly 100 seat contract airplanes take over.....there are not even any retirements to speak of until 2014....maybe all furloughs back by then.....Alaska is the only airline on the planet that can turn a record profit into doom and gloom......****************************************

 

[mach none]

It was possible, it's just that for some reason, it was not stressed.

I guess they were to busy making sure VSA was possible with pilots out of work.

It was stressed, but we could not get any traction from the company. Now we know why.

 

[mach none]

This freight train has been coming down the track for years......and only 199 of us saw it for what it was........watch how fast that order goes away with the rise in fuel cost.....and how quickly 100 seat contract airplanes take over.....there are not even any retirements to speak of until 2014....maybe all furloughs back by then.....Alaska is the only airline on the planet that can turn a record profit into doom and gloom......****************************************

Age 65 starts to kick in on 12/2012. Coincidentally, that is when the first of the "big" announcement a/c start to show up. What that means of course is it is two years before anything will happen and the company has hedged their position by saying they will only grow if the economy will allow it. Remember the 2010 plan also had us flying 150-175 jets. We are currently flying two less than when they announced that plan.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

It was stressed, but we could not get any traction from the company. Now we know why.

Scope may have been discussed at the table, but was it identified as a goal to it's members?

I don't remember any briefs from the union talking about scope. However, I do remember talking to several Capts about scope and how they thought we already had it.

It's hard to tell your reps and the pollsters about what you want if you think you've already got it.

 

[Z_Pilot]

Are the Muckity Mucks trying to work out a training LOA?

Do tell!

 

[tico]

Age 65 starts to kick in on 12/2012. Coincidentally, that is when the first of the "big" announcement a/c start to show up. What that means of course is it is two years before anything will happen and the company has hedged their position by saying they will only grow if the economy will allow it. Remember the 2010 plan also had us flying 150-175 jets. We are currently flying two less than when they announced that plan.[/QUOTE

You are being sarcastic about age-65 and 12/2012.....we have 1 retirement....2014 is when we will have enough to recall 50 or so ....plus LOA, etc....in 2 years the economy is going to be a ghost town....and along with it will be those airplanes. We are as big as we will ever be as long as we are part of AAG.....all else is sheer mental masturbation....feels good but dont get caught doing it....and as for a training LOA...I hope not...But I am sure the assoc. will roll over on that as well

 

[mach none]

Scope may have been discussed at the table, but was it identified as a goal to it's members?

I don't remember any briefs from the union talking about scope. However, I do remember talking to several Capts about scope and how they thought we already had it.

It's hard to tell your reps and the pollsters about what you want if you think you've already got it.

The vast majority did not think scope was important enough to spend negotiating capital on. That may change now.

 

[Jetjockey]

The vast majority did not think scope was important enough to spend negotiating capital on. That may change now.

Isn't that like fixing the fence after the horses got away???