Airtran new contract ques?

[RedDogC130]

Can any AIRTRAN people please provide 1 item in your current contract that SWA pilot should want to introduce into ours once we are all operating under the same contract.

Thanks

 

[General Lee]

Can any AIRTRAN people please provide 1 item in your current contract that SWA pilot should want to introduce into ours once we are all operating under the same contract.

Thanks

Being allowed to fly Allnighters.
Being allowed to fly into DCA.
Being allowed to have a hub at ATL.
Being allowed to fly outside the 48 contiguous States.
Flying to Mexico without saying "Volaris 458 Cleeeeered to lllllanndd."


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[RedDogC130]

If you don't work for airtran please stay out. Not that difficult sara lee. I also said what does the CONTRACT bring....not the company.....the contract ...ie work ruless, pay, scope...not destinations

 

[Ty Webb]

1) Contractual right to merged operations within 18 months following any merger or acquisition of assets.

2) Pilots can refuse a downline draft (schedule change that gets you back to domicile more than 60 minutes after your original pairing ends).

3) Pilots can refuse a draft into a day off.

4) 10.5% Company retirement contribution (W-2 wages * 10.5%) plus 1% match on 401K, for a total 11.5% retirement fund contribution

 

[Just thinking]

#1-Ability to refuse in bound drafts due to personal hardship. (I understand that the junior assignment is seldom used at SWA)

Everything else is pretty much crap. Definitely not the "industry standard" that they proclaimed.

 

[Just thinking]

Beat me to it

 

[bladeusa]

already mentioned..

 

[cole]

Seems like a windfall for SWA. I'm not sure where you fly has anything to do with the contract???

 

[Bill Nelson]

Your retirement doesn't bring an advantage to SWA because most of us max out the government allowable limits as it is.

We too can turn down a JA event if you have personal hardships such as child care needs etc.

So pretty much your contract brings nothing.

 

[orangebellyav8r]

Being allowed to fly Allnighters

You can have them. If we wanted to fly them we would have gone to UPS or FEDEX

Being allowed to fly into DCA

BFD

Being allowed to have a hub at ATL

Being allowed...LMFAO

Being allowed to have a hub at ATL

Being allowed...sounds like my parents

Being allowed to fly outside the 48 contiguous States

BFD...we have ELP SAT AUS PHX LAX SAN HOU..Just like being outside the states

Contractual right to merged operations within 18 months following any merger or acquisition of assets

This is not a merge. WE BOUGHT YOUR ASS. So bottom of the list..LMFAO

Pilots can refuse a draft into a day off

We fly airplanes not race cars

10.5% Company retirement contribution (W-2 wages * 10.5%) plus 1% match on 401K, for a total 11.5% retirement fund contribution

LMFAO...nothing in nothing out







Maybe next time you can say what you have that we need in your contract

 

[Ty Webb]

Maybe next time you can say what you have that we need in your contract

We have EAP- which it looks like you could benefit from.

 

[RedDogC130]

We have EAP- which it looks like you could benefit from.

A bit more info would be helpful......what is that?

 

[General Lee]

You can have them. If we wanted to fly them we would have gone to UPS or FEDEX
TOO BAD, SO SAD. Now, you get to do them. HAHAHAHAHAHA



BFD

DCA----It is a BFD to Gary Kelly, and every Airline CEO. You know, the guy who allowed you to participate in the F9 decision, but not the AT decision. Oooops. Sorry.


Being allowed...LMFAO

Can you get into ATL now? Would you like to? Your management team seems to want to. But, you can't see past the SLI, which is looking murky to you at best.


Being allowed...sounds like my parents

Hey, you are acting like a baby, so where were your parents during that stage of your life? You missed out on a lot of arse smacks, obviously.




BFD...we have ELP SAT AUS PHX LAX SAN HOU..Just like being outside the states

Yeah, but you are only there for 25 minutes at a time. Maybe now you can stick around on longer layovers and get the feel of the culture of Ciudad de Juarez. Go across the border, alone please.



This is not a merge. WE BOUGHT YOUR ASS. So bottom of the list..LMFAO

Tell that to your union, they will tell the lawyers, and they will argue it to the arbitrators. LMFAO......




We fly airplanes not race cars

Not on the ground, your planes taxi like race cars quite often. Slow it down please.....




LMFAO...nothing in nothing out

I have a good retort for that one, but I don't want to make you cry.



Maybe next time you can say what you have that we need in your contract

Grow up, and start accepting that NOTHING you say will happen. It is up to arbitrators, not your ego.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[orangebellyav8r]

Don't care what the arbitrator says. You will be pulling the gear up for me for a loooong time..Now grow up with "not what your wife said"..ain't heard that in quite while.

 

[johnsonrod]

Don't care what the arbitrator says. You will be pulling the gear up for me for a loooong time..Now grow up with "not what your wife said"..ain't heard that in quite while.

Lee flies for Delta, so I doubt he will be pulling gear for you. And you don't care what the arbitrator says? Really? Hmmmm. Well, isn't that special. You should yell that out during one if the arbitration hearings. That could be a good YouTube hit.

 

[JT12345]

LMFAO...nothing in nothing out

The 401k first 10.5% does not have to be matched.. so nothing in still means 10.5% out.

 

[DonVerita]

I would hope that both sides take a look at our FLICA scheduling software and determine if it is better than the SWA in-house software. FLICA is one heck of a nice product as long as all the switches are turned to the "On" position. What I mean by that is having the program run full throttle wide open with no parts of it held back by Management. Full transparency.

Is it true that at SWA if you are awarded a line that has a trip over a holiday, you CAN NOT swap it out with something in open time or via a schedule adjustment period that is not on a holiday? The only way would be a peer-to-peer swap (and who's going to do that?).

Over here at AAI, we love to manipulate our schedules 24/7...all online without ever having to talk to or receive permission from a human in Crew Scheduling. Some guys have made this into an art form.

 

[OCP]

Does Airtran not still have that everything flown by a reserve is over guarantee?

 

[Lear70]

Does Airtran not still have that everything flown by a reserve is over guarantee?

I think you're referring to Twomey-Kasher. No, that was given up in exchange for Long-Call Reserve, limits on Ready Reserve, transparency, a bucket system, and a preference for call-first/call-last for reserves.

Pilots who place themselves call-first will likely break guarantee but will have to do so actually FLYING, up to (I believe) a 20 hour differential between them and the lowest-credit "call-last" reserve, then they have to wait until that differential comes within 20 hours again to fly first.

It appears that requesting "call-first" or "call-last" will best be served by monitoring reserve staffing. If we're over-staffed for reserves and LVI is low, bidding call-first won't help much, as NO ONE will break guarantee. If we're staffed even or under-staffed, then "call-first" will likely break guarantee quite well. Bid accordingly.

Still weeding my way through analyzing Section 5. It's such a HUGE departure from the prior scheduling section that it's taking a while longer than T.A. 1 or 2 did.

 

[scoreboardII]

Holiday flying: your stuck over any holiday unless you find that dude or dudette to take the trip. You can massage the start day, but you must fly over a 24/25 or 1st if thats what your original line contained.

 

[Quimby]

I would hope that both sides take a look at our FLICA scheduling software and determine if it is better than the SWA in-house software. FLICA is one heck of a nice product as long as all the switches are turned to the "On" position. What I mean by that is having the program run full throttle wide open with no parts of it held back by Management. Full transparency.

Is it true that at SWA if you are awarded a line that has a trip over a holiday, you CAN NOT swap it out with something in open time or via a schedule adjustment period that is not on a holiday? The only way would be a peer-to-peer swap (and who's going to do that?).

Over here at AAI, we love to manipulate our schedules 24/7...all online without ever having to talk to or receive permission from a human in Crew Scheduling. Some guys have made this into an art form.

24/7 trip swapping at SWA. No calls involved.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

BFD...we have ELP SAT AUS PHX LAX SAN HOU..Just like being outside the states

You forgot LBB, (General) Sara Lee loves LBB!

 

[DonVerita]

24/7 trip swapping at SWA. No calls involved.

Unless it is over a holiday period. Then you are only allowed to swap with another pilot if he or she is willing. In other words, you are not allowed to manipulate your schedule over a holiday period via automation.

At AAI, we have (2) schedule adjustment periods. SAP 1 and SAP 2. SAP 1 runs for about 24 hours after Final Awards are published. That one goes by seniority. Then SAP 2 kicks in and goes by first come, first served. Both are 100% automated within FLICA. After SAP 2 closes, then Open Time begins and runs until 23:59 on the last day of the upcoming month. That too is 100% automated 1st come, 1st served.

From what I'm hearing from my SWA bro's, the AAI software may be more advanced and user friendly than the SWA in-house software. So...per the topic thread...this may be something that AAI brings to the table that is better than SWA currently has. We shall see.

 

[vixin]

Whippy do.. Ill keep what we have plus the extra $50-100,000. You think you bring something to the table becuse of stupid trades on three holidays. OOOOK! I worked this Thanksgiving my choice, got home early and made $174tfp doing it as an FO. I do just fine with our current system. Tell you what you keep your software and we will keep our lousy pay and everything else that has been mentioned 1000 times. We also dont have near the number of reseves AAI has. Hence the restriction. Someone has to fly those planes. But you will know how lousy it is soon enough.

 

[GuppyWN]

Without knowing the details I'll say I want SWA scheduling over Airtrans. After the details I'll only be more convinced.

Gup

 

[Mr Wu]

Hmm, looks like the Prince William/Kate Middleton wedding is turning into the Mike Tyson/Robin Givens wedding.

 

[Ty Webb]

deleted . . . . . gonna go teach a pig to sing instead.

 

[RedDogC130]

So three days and nothing of interest thus far from the airtran contract for swa pilots...what is is your group is bringing? The company bought the other stuff so that does not count....I guess the pilot group is bringing nothing to the table....maybe this wont be such a tough arbitration to begin with since there is nothing from the airtran contract to offer us.

 

[Max Powers]

Your retirement doesn't bring an advantage to SWA because most of us max out the government allowable limits as it is.

Actually chief our is not a match...... I'm wasting my time if your level of understanding is this low.

 

[RedDogC130]

Actually chief our is not a match...... I'm wasting my time if your level of understanding is this low.

Ok, so is it not limited up to a certain amount? There has to be a limit. 9.3 vs. 10.5 at the limit is the same.