Southwest upbeat about growth after AirTran merger

[vixin]

You are an idot. I just refuted your stupid comments. The lawyers you were bragging for M&A, have been on SWAPA retainer for awhile now.LOL

 

[johnsonrod]

[QUOTE
And I bet those AT ALPA people are talking to a certain ALPA attorney that has a 2-0 record with SLI arbitration. How much experience do the SWA lawyers have with SLIs? You may want to look into that. Good luck to you.

To bad thats the 2-0 record the SWA lawyers have. LOL As for the experience, I guess that would be 2-0. You may want to look into that.[/QUOTE]

What? Morris and Muse? Good, those were years ago, before current laws went into effect (Bond/McKaskil), and they hopefully won't be rusty on their SLI techniques. Good luck.

 

[johnsonrod]

You are an idot. I just refuted your stupid comments. The lawyers you were bragging for M&A, have been on SWAPA retainer for awhile now.LOL

Can you reference the firm's name? Or, are you just making that up? You sound like it. Sure, oh yeah, sure, you guys have been "retaining" them for awhile. Thanks judge judy.

 

[vixin]

To bad thats the 2-0 record the SWA lawyers have. LOL As for the experience, I guess that would be 2-0. You may want to look into that.

What? Morris and Muse? Good, those were years ago, before current laws went into effect (Bond/McKaskil), and they hopefully won't be rusty on their SLI techniques. Good luck.[/QUOTE]
You really are an idot. The lawyers AW and Delta had have been on retainer by SWAPA for 1-2 years. Is that easier for your little pea size brain to understand. Airtran tried to get them after the announcement and they were turned down because they were RATAINED already.

 

[vixin]

No point discussing further with a juvenile. Grow up!

 

[Dash Power]

Our union secured the best M&A lawyers available well before any deals were put forward. When you look at our M&A team combined with the competence level of our M&A attorneys (we have many different specialized attorneys to handle many different situations) universally the SWA pilots are very pleased. The confidence level is very high with our team. We just voted in a new union VP who has a high level of expertise in a M&A that went very, very well for the company he represented.

This is not about who has an advantage, it is about feeling secure that your interests are being managed well. Unfortunately like having the better divorce attorney. It just makes you feel confident.

 

[johnsonrod]

What? Morris and Muse? Good, those were years ago, before current laws went into effect (Bond/McKaskil), and they hopefully won't be rusty on their SLI techniques. Good luck.

You really are an idot. The lawyers AW and Delta had have been on retainer by SWAPA for 1-2 years. Is that easier for your little pea size brain to understand. Airtran tried to get them after the announcement and they were turned down because they were RATAINED already.[/QUOTE]

Give the name of the firm, and let's confirm it. If you can't or won't, then it shows you really don't know, and are guessing. I am thinking that is the truth here. Just find out the name of the firm and post it. You just need to understand that YOU won't get everything you want. You are acting like the spoiled kid here, not me. Talk about someone needing to grow up. Show some proof and then let that speak for you.

 

[vixin]

Bredhoff & Kaiser There you go kid. They represented Delta and UAl. SO shut it. Non of my respones to your stupidity had anything to do with the SLI itself. Just your inability of reading comprehension.

Just in case you still arent bright enough to understand...

In April 2008, Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines announced a merger that, when consummated, resulted in the world's largest airline. A critical part of this and other airline mergers was the integration of the two airlines' pilot seniority lists. (See recent article in the New York Times, discussing seniority integration in airline transactions.) Bredhoff & Kaiser lawyers have represented pilot groups in every recent major airline merger, including the America West/US Airways merger in 2007. In the Delta/Northwest merger, when the two pilot groups could not agree on a merged seniority list, Bredhoff & Kaiser's lawyers represented the Delta pilots in an expedited arbitration hearing consisting of 12 hearing days over the course of two months to resolve the seniority issues. On December 8, a panel of three arbitrators issued an opinion largely adopting the Delta pilots' view on how the seniority lists should be integrated. (See article in the Atlanta Journal Constitution.) The Firm currently represents the United Airlines Pilots and the Southwest Airlines Pilots in their mergers with Continental Airlines and AirTran Airways respectively.


Now who is laughing...:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[RJ Bum]

http://www.bredhoff.com/index.php/news/3/17/Seniority-Integration-Key-to-Recent-Airline-Mergers

 

[Angus]

Seriously...??

I hope to god that most of you are simply Riddle Students sitting in the dorm having fun on the computer..... because IF you are actually Pilots at SWA or anywhere else for that matter.... you should be absolutely ashamed at how PATHETIC, RIDICULOUS, PETTY and JUVENILE you appear on this thread alone.

Arguing tit for tat about Attorneys? Are you serious? How old are you people?

I hope and pray you don't fly airplanes for a living... because reading and watching all this trite bull********************.... gives incredible insight to your mental immaturity.

Go out, get laid.... and get a life. GROW up.... start acting like PROFESSIONALS for god's sake. You're an embarrassment to Airline Pilots....

 

[vixin]

Well Angus it wasnt a tit for tat. It was just me clarifying who SWAPA attained. It just took him a few times to understand. I couldnt careless who the lawyers are. Just giving the facts.

 

[Monkey Face]

Seriously...??

I hope to god that most of you are simply Riddle Students sitting in the dorm having fun on the computer..... because IF you are actually Pilots at SWA or anywhere else for that matter.... you should be absolutely ashamed at how PATHETIC, RIDICULOUS, PETTY and JUVENILE you appear on this thread alone.

Arguing tit for tat about Attorneys? Are you serious? How old are you people?

I hope and pray you don't fly airplanes for a living... because reading and watching all this trite bull********************.... gives incredible insight to your mental immaturity.

Go out, get laid.... and get a life. GROW up.... start acting like PROFESSIONALS for god's sake. You're an embarrassment to Airline Pilots....

You think this is bad, wait until you get to converse with the hating PPrune crowd.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Its amazing that a good article comes out and it breaks down into the same pissing match over and over again. All of you give it a rest, you have no say, get over it.

 

[ivauir]

Its amazing that a good article comes out and it breaks down into the same pissing match over and over again. All of you give it a rest, you have no say, get over it.

I totally agree with the sentiment, but the last bit isn't totally true. The SWAPA constitution guarantees a vote in the unlikely event of a negotiated agreement. Unconfirmed rumor is that AirTran is headed in the same direction. IMHO good stuff for all involved.

It may end up in an arbitrator's hands (I hear it will be 3 - also good), but the best result would be one crafted and ratified by pilots with skin in the game. SLI specifics may be very important to us as individuals, but an agreement we can all live with is critical to our collective future.

 

[PCL_128]

Both the ATN MEC and SWAPA have very experienced merger attorneys. The SWAPA guys have Jeff Freund, and at ATN we have Dan Katz. Both attorneys have been involved in just about every major airline SLI in the past 30+ years. Both have great records. Of course, at ATN, we have far more resources than just Mr. Katz, though. We also have all of the attorneys at ALPA, plus attorneys at ALPA's outside counsel, including Mike Abram, who is one of the most highly respected labor attorneys in the business, quite skilled at dealing with merger and transition issues. I don't think any of us are worried about our legal representation.

 

[Full of LUV]

It may end up in an arbitrator's hands (I hear it will be 3 - also good), but the best result would be one crafted and ratified by pilots with skin in the game. SLI specifics may be very important to us as individuals, but an agreement we can all live with is critical to our collective future.

Three pages on who's lawyer can beat up who's lawyer and you think this is going to be settled by a few pilots with skin in the game?????

Get real, you can barely get pilots to agree when they are getting a new contract with a raise, let alone a SLI agreement that to be deemed "fair" will make all mad in some fashion.
LUV

 

[Lonestar]

Sorry AT guys, but you're going to need a lot more than 'Cry Baby Katz' to make your case that the lottery you just won has no meaning whatsoever!

PCL, you talk as if Fruend is the only asset we have, versus your arsenal of talent from ALPA national. First, we have a number of guys with plenty of experience in ALPA merger policy. That's because people from numerous ALPA airlines came to SWA for our superior pay, QOL, benefits, job security, etc.

Also, with the rate at which you are spending ALPA money versus bringing money in, I imagine there is a limit to what they are willing to throw at the 'low hanging fruit' that many other ALPA groups have had to contend with as you led the race to the bottom.

 

[Angus]

Another Pulitzer Prize post....

Sorry AT guys, but you're going to need a lot more than 'Cry Baby Katz' to make your case that the lottery you just won has no meaning whatsoever!

PCL, you talk as if Fruend is the only asset we have, versus your arsenal of talent from ALPA national. First, we have a number of guys with plenty of experience in ALPA merger policy. That's because people from numerous ALPA airlines came to SWA for our superior pay, QOL, benefits, job security, etc.

Also, with the rate at which you are spending ALPA money versus bringing money in, I imagine there is a limit to what they are willing to throw at the 'low hanging fruit' that many other ALPA groups have had to contend with as you led the race to the bottom.

Yeah... take THAT AirTran guys. You all suck, and the merger sucks, and your attorney sucks... and you suck... and.... and.... yeah.

And its a "not a merger"... and "come take it".... you hit the "lottery".... and Katz is a "crybaby"... and.... and.... yeah.

Yeah... "I am rubber and you are glue" ... and... and.... yeah.

Wow... seriously??

Another one of the SWA "prize" Pilots posts again??

SWA, their paying passengers, and ALL Airline Pilots in the industry should read your rants... and be so proud.

Grow up.... no really - act like you are over the age of 12.... and one of the worlds highest paid elite Professional Pilots.

PLEASE BE A PRO AND GROW UP....

 

[waveflyer]

It's FI- any lurkers- do the math 7800 total pilots-

How many names do you see here going at it?

You can choose to take the exchanges you see here and place some relevance on it - take it to the flight deck and talk about it with the other pilot- get each other riled up bc the 1%ers are going nuts here- making stuff up-

The party Swapa threw is the truth- the party SWA will throw will be seriously fun- don't take this vibe to your job and infect your side- it'll work out how it works out- we both have hired and elected good people to represent us- thats their job-for lineholders our job is to make the merger a success, win passengers so mgmt can grow this airline so there's so much movement everyone will forget about any SLI issues.

As one of my chiefs put it to his other 4 digit friend- he'd trade the last 20 years for the next 20 if he could

 

[PCL_128]

PCL, you talk as if Fruend is the only asset we have, versus your arsenal of talent from ALPA national. First, we have a number of guys with plenty of experience in ALPA merger policy. That's because people from numerous ALPA airlines came to SWA for our superior pay, QOL, benefits, job security, etc.

ALPA Merger Policy doesn't really apply here, so I'm not sure what your point is on that. I was discussing resources, not ALPA Merger Policy. I'm sure SWAPA has far more assets than just Mr. Freund. Both pilot groups are well represented. Why is everything a contest with some of you guys? Can't you just admit that both sides have highly qualified legal counsel, and whether this gets resolved in negotiations or arbitration, then both groups will have been well represented?

Also, with the rate at which you are spending ALPA money versus bringing money in, I imagine there is a limit to what they are willing to throw at the 'low hanging fruit' that many other ALPA groups have had to contend with as you led the race to the bottom.

We have plenty of money set aside for this merger. Not really an issue.

 

[livintheredream]

I saw a new commercial for the all new" World of Warcraft" coming out. I don't know much about it other than the South Park episode of fat, acne ridden kids in there mom's basement. I picture that to be some the FI tools on here. Once its out these boards will go silent. So hopefully then there might be some intellectual conversations.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Sorry AT guys, but you're going to need a lot more than 'Cry Baby Katz' to make your case that the lottery you just won has no meaning whatsoever!

PCL, you talk as if Fruend is the only asset we have, versus your arsenal of talent from ALPA national. First, we have a number of guys with plenty of experience in ALPA merger policy. That's because people from numerous ALPA airlines came to SWA for our superior pay, QOL, benefits, job security, etc.

Also, with the rate at which you are spending ALPA money versus bringing money in, I imagine there is a limit to what they are willing to throw at the 'low hanging fruit' that many other ALPA groups have had to contend with as you led the race to the bottom.

Man....seriously......who dumped in your fruit loops? You are all over FI spouting your nonsense. I can't figure out if you really believe what you are posting or just trying to elicit a response from as many as possible. Someone else said it right, thank god only a handful of the 7800+ pilots involved are getting in on the food fight. Get a life

...as for me ....it's time figure out how to play Pink Floyd's " Shine on you crazy diamond" with my new Fender Strat. An early Christmas gift from my wife. Shine on Lonestar......Shine on.

 

[Skybus]

Pretty scarry that people actually trust their lives and families to these "professionals" . Grow up girls.

Bus

I hope to god that most of you are simply Riddle Students sitting in the dorm having fun on the computer..... because IF you are actually Pilots at SWA or anywhere else for that matter.... you should be absolutely ashamed at how PATHETIC, RIDICULOUS, PETTY and JUVENILE you appear on this thread alone.

Arguing tit for tat about Attorneys? Are you serious? How old are you people?

I hope and pray you don't fly airplanes for a living... because reading and watching all this trite bull********************.... gives incredible insight to your mental immaturity.

Go out, get laid.... and get a life. GROW up.... start acting like PROFESSIONALS for god's sake. You're an embarrassment to Airline Pilots....[/QUOTE]

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Nice to see pilots on both side are pushung back against some of the crap said on these threads.

 

[stalker]

I joined FI shortly after the merger announcement to get a sense of the other sides feelings. After a few months of mostly lurking I am not to worried that both sides will come to some type of agreement. I say this because out of 7800 pilots I only see the same 7-10 continue to go about their circle jerk with each other! Reminds me of a dog I once had that chased its tail, but never could catch it!

 

[Max Powers]

I joined FI shortly after the merger announcement to get a sense of the other sides feelings. After a few months of mostly lurking I am not to worried that both sides will come to some type of agreement. I say this because out of 7800 pilots I only see the same 7-10 continue to go about their circle jerk with each other! Reminds me of a dog I once had that chased its tail, but never could catch it!

So very true my future brother.

 

[swa737-700]

Arbitrators will decide if there is a windfall or not. You had better hope you have good lawyers working with you, because ALPA knows how to do this by now.

That comment is laughable. Go review alpo's performance in the aa/TWA merger. They are still up to their private parts in alligators trying to get out of the lawsuit. No, alpo sucks...especially at representing a group of dues paying pilots they know they are about to lose. Good luck with that wish.

 

[JumpJetter]

So very true my future brother.

Ha! Spoken by one of them.

 

[Skyboy722]

Just out of curiosity, where'd you go johnsonrod?

 

[Captzaahlie]

Southwest upbeat about growth after AirTran merger


[SIZE=-1]12:00 AM CST on Friday, December 17, 2010

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[SIZE=-1]By TERRY MAXON / The Dallas Morning News
[email protected] [/SIZE]


Southwest Airlines Co. wants its merger with AirTran Holdings Inc. to add up, not down.
Speaking to industry analysts Thursday, chairman and chief executive Gary Kelly said that Southwest doesn't intend to follow the path of other mergers in which the surviving carrier wound up smaller than its two predecessors.
Consolidation usually means "that you take Airline A plus Airline B, and one plus one is less than two," Kelly said. "That's not what we're contemplating here with AirTran."
Dallas-based Southwest officially is in a no-growth mode, and Kelly reiterated that that will remain the company's stance until Southwest closes its merger with AirTran, probably in the first half of 2011.
However, Southwest is already licking its chops about what it might add to its traffic and revenue by connecting Southwest's cities to AirTran's cities, even before adding airplanes to the combined fleet.
AirTran's routes are already profitable, but "most of those new markets are not fully developed and are in need of further expansion. I would point to Atlanta in particular," Kelly said. "This creates for us immediately significant growth opportunities."
In addition, "AirTran brings significant profit synergies simply by virtue of connecting our two route networks. This has the effect of creating hundreds of new itineraries. It may be a thousand new itineraries when we actually get around to doing that," he said.
Simply linking the two networks will drive hundreds of millions of dollars in new traffic, and "all of that can be done without raising fares or without adding a single airplane," Kelly said.
Southwest, which is strictly a domestic carrier, has grown tremendously since 2000 – adding 200 airplanes – even as most of its large competitors reduced their domestic networks, he said.
"As I listen to the industry talk, they're very pessimistic, and certainly very pessimistic about the opportunities domestically," Kelly said. "We have the exact opposite view."
He said he agreed with Southwest chief financial officer Laura Wright that "business travel has been the real weak spot in travel. To a large degree, the softness there has been somewhat replaced by stronger leisure travel."
About the time he was speaking to analysts in New York, American Express Business Travel issued a report that said business travel fares were almost back to pre-recession levels.
The American Express Co. division said average fares on domestic routes reached $228 in the third quarter, up from $215 in third quarter 2009 and nearly back to third quarter 2007's $231. The highest fares, $253, came in third quarter 2009, as fuel prices were peaking and the sharp drop in business travel had yet to be felt.
Wright said Southwest set a goal in 2007 to increase its revenue by $1 billion by 2010. However, that goal turned out to be too little, she said.
Southwest now expects its operating revenue in 2010 to be more than $2 billion above its 2007 revenue, with the majority brought by higher fares. Wright said more than $1 billion is coming from higher yields, or revenue charged per passenger per mile; about $700 million from carrying more passengers; and the rest from new services like the "Early Bird" fee that lets people board ahead of other passengers.

sounds like a xmas carol....:beer: