Indian Jet Plummets 7000' because co-pilot moved seat.

[ron burgundy]

He bumped the controls, panicked, and stalled a 737. This is the kind of idiocy we can expect in this country if the Airlines keep pushing for relaxed training and qualifications.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/30/report-co-pilot-moved-seat-sent-jetliner-plumetting/?hpt=C2

Stupid for sure! However,where does it say stall or nose/pitch up?

 

[inline]

maybe the FO called the "jihad suicide hotline"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEdsUeq6xoY

He was probably Hindu. They don't believe there are 72 virgins waiting for them in paradise like the muslims do.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Grab some popcorn and be prepared to say WTFO!?! several times:

http://dgca.nic.in/accident/reports/incident/VT-AXJ.pdf

My FAVORITE part!

3.1.6 At subframe 4785( 17:53:50Z) at this time the copilot made an attempt to pull the aircraft up however it continued to loss altitude hence he again put the control column forward and aircraft went in further dive.

 

[HalinTexas]

Yes. They are that bad. And, the resent foreigners "taking their jobs." India is not the only place where this is a problem.

 

[Chubaka]

Oh come on guys! The lesson to be learned here is the stall characteristics of the 737. It's just like a Cessna!

 

[nightfr8er]

Hell of a cover up. "The copilot isn't a terrorist. He's just really stupid."

On a related note, does it bother anyone else that the RJs don't have an emergency alternate method of cockpit entry?

Yeah, that has bothered me for a while, too. And because it would cost $ to engineer another form of entry from the cabin, it'll never happen at certain operators.

 

[climbhappy]

In China, our FOs are ranked 1,2,3,4
we can only fly with an F3 or F4, a F1 or F2 is less than 1000 hours , just learned to fly in USA ,europe wherever.
on the airbus, they cannot touch the controls. On the Boeing, they cannot touch the controls on the 900 due to many hard landings. 1.8 Gs or higher. on 800, F4 can land... a QAR (quick access recorder) records landing every time. we can get fined for landing over 1.8Gs. you 'd have to bang it on.

The problem is these guys are super smart kids with great FMC, airplane knowledge and they fly it okay from takeoff...but the landing phase over the numbers seems to unravel. some fly okay and ultimately upgrade with 4 or 5 thousand hours... one friend had the kid just drop the nose at 30 ft, then a hard landing. as a result, memo came out F3s can only land in VFR clear and calm...

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

My FAVORITE part!

3.1.6 At subframe 4785( 17:53:50Z) at this time the copilot made an attempt to pull the aircraft up however it continued to loss altitude hence he again put the control column forward and aircraft went in further dive.

He was just trying to finish his outside loop.

 

[LearLove]

in china, our fos are ranked 1,2,3,4
we can only fly with an f3 or f4, a f1 or f2 is less than 1000 hours , just learned to fly in usa ,europe wherever.
On the airbus, they cannot touch the controls. On the boeing, they cannot touch the controls on the 900 due to many hard landings. 1.8 gs or higher. On 800, f4 can land... A qar (quick access recorder) records landing every time. We can get fined for landing over 1.8gs. You 'd have to bang it on.

The problem is these guys are super smart kids with great fmc, airplane knowledge and they fly it okay from takeoff...but the landing phase over the numbers seems to unravel. Some fly okay and ultimately upgrade with 4 or 5 thousand hours... One friend had the kid just drop the nose at 30 ft, then a hard landing. As a result, memo came out f3s can only land in vfr clear and calm...

wtf!!!!!!

 

[climbhappy]

I thought I was pretty clear...yes, there is a system of fines but no one cares...for example, if you're not configured over the FAF, you may get fined, because it would be an unstabilized approach by definition putting aside the 1000 AGL criteria for what constitutes a stabilized approach. most guys have the green ring drawn around the FAF just to be sure...The FO are pretty sharp. you will not miss something in a critical phase of flight, they're like a bird on a wire, they'll say ,"cap tan" arm APP, "cap tan" set MAP Alt on MCP, 'cap tan" heading must be set on LOC course. Now you're getting around to it, but if it ain't done when the chinese captains they flew with at first procedurally did it, and as it is written, they freak on you.
they give new meaning to the term "standardization"
I'm just glad we don't get caned for mistake..that would suck!LOL

 

[igneousy2]

wtf!!!!!!

Yeah, what he said!

BTW How much would a fine be format being configured at FAF?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

No one has mentioned autolands for anything less than VFR, no visual approaches. . .

 

[ultrarunner]

NO reason at all to get on some of these foreign carriers.