ASA JCBA: Timeline Thoughts?

[NotTooBad]

I was curious what everyone is expecting for a timeline on the JCBA. When would you speculate that we will be operating under the new agreement?

 

[johnpeace]

I think less than 9 mos.

Of course, our MEC could throw a wrench in it.

 

[79%N1]

3 years.......MINIMUM!!!!!

It took over 2 yrs to TA 1 section last time. This could get ugly. The JMEC is going in with the best of each in each section, plus gains. Management/Ford & Harrison are coming in with the worst in each section. Take it from there.

 

[LazyLightnin']

Agreed.. Somewhere near the 20th of never.

 

[the palm]

I was curious what everyone is expecting for a timeline on the JCBA. When would you speculate that we will be operating under the new agreement?

When my hair grows back.

 

[dojetdriver]

3 years.......MINIMUM!!!!!

It took over 2 yrs to TA 1 section last time. This could get ugly. The JMEC is going in with the best of each in each section, plus gains. Management/Ford & Harrison are coming in with the worst in each section. Take it from there.

I see what you're saying. But when a CBA is being negotiated, management is in NO hurry what so ever to get it done.

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't Jerry want this thing done ASAP to get the operations combined so he can start seeing the profitable effects of the merger?

 

[CoATP]

If 9E/XJ/9l cannot get it done in 45 days, I'm sure you guys cannot get in done in less.

 

[aeropharoh]

So what kind of $ do you think is a good opener. Xjt already has higher rates than asa even under concessionary contract. So get that back and some on top I'm thinking about 15% from current asa rates? Discuss.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

He he. More like 3%. Welcome to spineless airlines.

 

[crj567]

We will probably take concessions. We are truly spineless. 85% of our pilots plan on spending only a handful of years here, and then they think that they will join daddy and pals at the mainline of their choosing.

-Why should they give a crap what the hell happens?
-And what kind of union can we really expect from such a pilot group?
(We are about to be a special kind of screwed.)

 

[OCP]

We will probably take concessions. We are truly spineless. 85% of our pilots plan on spending only a handful of years here,
(We are about to be a special kind of screwed.)

Huh? I don't think anyone is under that kind of illusion these days. A junior CA has been here over 8 years!

 

[CiFIknow]

Let's think positive. I'm a six-year Capt. at XJT and am currently getting paid $4.46 less per hour than what I should be making due to our concessionary contract. My current concessionary rate is $2.00 more than what APC says a six-year ASA 200 Capt. makes. I'm of the mindset that any pay rate increase must begin at our non-concessionary rates. And 700 rates should be negotiated accordingly.

 

[Master Shake]

Not to sound smug, but from my standpoint, any contract they offer that isn't a marked improvement over what we already have will be voted down. We have the majority and we are already pissed off at how things have been run here over the last two years. There is NO guarantee that this mythical hiring bonanza by the majors will occur as fast as any of us hopes. Translated: we would rather continue to work under the contract we already have until something truly better is offered. Personally, I'm in no hurry to integrate unless we are really going to turn the corner and take this thing in a much better direction.

 

[CiFIknow]

Not to sound smug, but from my standpoint, any contract they offer that isn't a marked improvement over what we already have will be voted down. We have the majority and we are already pissed off at how things have been run here over the last two years. There is NO guarantee that this mythical hiring bonanza by the majors will occur as fast as any of us hopes. Translated: we would rather continue to work under the contract we already have until something truly better is offered. Personally, I'm in no hurry to integrate unless we are really going to turn the corner and take this thing in a much better direction.

Well said!

 

[crj567]

Not to sound smug, but from my standpoint, any contract they offer that isn't a marked improvement over what we already have will be voted down. We have the majority and we are already pissed off at how things have been run here over the last two years. There is NO guarantee that this mythical hiring bonanza by the majors will occur as fast as any of us hopes. Translated: we would rather continue to work under the contract we already have until something truly better is offered. Personally, I'm in no hurry to integrate unless we are really going to turn the corner and take this thing in a much better direction.

I second that thought!

-Maybe someone on the negotiating comm. will see it this way. At least we do have a little leverage. The only question is whether we have enough sense to use it.

 

[Master Shake]

I second that thought!

-Maybe someone on the negotiating comm. will see it this way. At least we do have a little leverage. The only question is whether we have enough sense to use it.

That's just it, all of us line pilots at ASA & XJT can't control the ALPA machine. What all of us CAN do is to vote no if this proposal sucks. Face it guys, we can vote no until the sun stops shining.

 

[crj567]

Huh? I don't think anyone is under that kind of illusion these days. A junior CA has been here over 8 years!

You would be amazed by the number of people I talk to who are very much suffering from that kind of illusion. "The next hiring wave is right around the corner" and such....

-Again.

-You XJET guys really need to take heed. Our pilot group is full of these losers.

 

[dojetdriver]

So what kind of $ do you think is a good opener. Xjt already has higher rates than asa even under concessionary contract. So get that back and some on top I'm thinking about 15% from current asa rates? Discuss.

Here's the 2009 pre concessionary rates. These SHOULD be the baseline, THEN the standard 4-6% per year till the JCBA is signed;

CA
1 65.28
2 67.24
3 69.25
4 71.33
5 73.47
6 75.67
7 77.19
8 79.50
9 81.89
10 84.35
11 86.88
12 89.48
13 92.17
14 94.93
15 96.83
16 98.77
17 100.74
18 102.76

FO

1 24.50
2 36.47
3 38.73
4 41.31
5 42.55
6 43.82
7 45.14
8 46.49

 

[Snapperhead]

Pay rates are great, but how about work rules? You can make a lot of money on work rules vs. hourly rate. Is there a link for the Expressjet contract? Thanks.

 

[Texx]

So what kind of $ do you think is a good opener. Xjt already has higher rates than asa even under concessionary contract. So get that back and some on top I'm thinking about 15% from current asa rates? Discuss.

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