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The "witness accounts" posted by Wyomingpilot sound dubious. Notice how everything about the A380 is described very negatively! No pilot would ever do this. Even the pilots that flew the J-41 (and hated the plane) at my previous airline never talked about their plane like this. Sounds like there's just another hater out in FI land.
 
The "witness accounts" posted by Wyomingpilot sound dubious. Notice how everything about the A380 is described very negatively! No pilot would ever do this. Even the pilots that flew the J-41 (and hated the plane) at my previous airline never talked about their plane like this. Sounds like there's just another hater out in FI land.

I never said these were "Witness accounts" These were mates of mine sending me information. Just passing along information, you can decide for yourself whether the Airbus/Rolls Royce A-380 is safe.
 
yes it was UA 232 and the redesign was to contain a fan disk failure not a rotor disk failure. You can see the results also here.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1644738/posts

This one being GE


Wyoming you started your post with the "this is why i fly boeing"!

Stop the xenophobic rhetoric and base your discussions on fact and you'll have more credibilty.
The A380 is having some in service problems right now as is the Rolls Royce engine, I'm sure the moneymakers will sort it out though just like Boeing did with the 737 rudder issues.
I trust when you pax or jumpseat on a flight that the same holds true about the "flying boeing" nonsense and you decline to fly on the airbus?
 
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Just passing along info. so don't kill the messenger.

How controllable was QF32 during the emergency?

November 21, 2010 – 11:33 am, by Ben Sandilands
There have been some fairly dramatic claims made about the controllability of QF32 after the disintegration of the inboard No2 Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engine on November 4 after it took off from Singapore for Sydney.
While I was travelling and out of communications Airbus released a statement on this.
It has been described, I think fairly, as ‘defensive’ by some observers. But it is also a reason to use some common sense in considering this gravely serious in-flight incident.
Here is the Airbus statement:
A380 / RR TRENT 900 – QANTAS VH-OQA INCIDENT ON 4th NOVEMBER 2010.
FROM : AIRBUS FLIGHT SAFETY DEPARTMENT TOULOUSE
Subject: A380 / RR Trent 900 – Qantas VH-OQA incident on 4th November 2010
Our ref.: QF32 AIT 3, dated 17th November 2010
This AIT is an update of the AIT 2 following the in-flight engine failure during flight QF32 from Singapore to Sydney, on 4th November 2010.
This AIT has been approved for release by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) who leads the on-going ICAO Annex 13 investigation.
The second RR inspection program applicable to the Trent 900 engine family and covered by EASA Engine Airworthiness Directive has been published allowing continuous operations of the fleet. Together with its partners, Airbus is providing support to the operators for engine logistics to minimize interruptions to the fleet.
One single high energy fragment is considered from a certification requirement viewpoint. The damage assessment has established that the IPT disk released 3 different high energy fragments, resulting in some structural and systems damage, with associated ECAM warnings. Therefore the crew had to manage a dynamic situation.
Despite the situation, amongst the various available systems supporting the crew to operate the aircraft and return safely to Singapore were:
- Flaps remained available (slats were jammed retracted).
- All flight control surfaces remained available on the pitch and yaw axis.
- The roll control was ensured through: (a) on the left wing: inner aileron, spoilers 1, 3, 5 and 7; (b) on the right wing: mid and inner ailerons, spoilers 1, 3, 5, 6 and 7.
- The flight control laws reverted to Alternate law due to the loss of the slats and of some roll control surfaces. Normal law was kept on longitudinal and lateral axes.
- Flight envelope protections were still active.
- The autopilot was kept engaged till about 700 feet Radio Altimeter, time at which the crew took over manually. Flight Directors were ON.
- Manual control of engines 1, 3 & 4 was maintained till aircraft stop.
- Landing in SIN took place about 1 hour 40 minutes after the engine 2 failure with flaps in
configuration 3.
- Normal braking was available on both body landing gears with antiskid, and alternate braking without antiskid on both wing landing gears. The crew modulated braking in order to stop close to emergency services.
- After the aircraft came to a stop, the reason engine 1 could not be shut down has been determined: 2 segregated wiring routes were cut by 2 out of the 3 individual disk debris.
It would have been useful if Airbus had gone into more detail about any problems that were occurring in the capacity of the damaged airliner to transfer fuel between tanks, or in fact, the need to do so during what was a very cool headed and methodical handling of the stricken flight by its pilots.
However it ought to be obvious that the pilots were always aware of the fundamentals of maintaining stable flight while they dealt with the exceptional situation that they were in. The flight remained within the required control envelopes until it landed, and stopped where the crew wanted it to stop, beside the fire engines.
To infer that there was a risk of the centre of gravity causing them to lose control is obviously silly, since were managing all of the many risks that had arisen in a logical but timely manner, and they touched down when they chose to, and stopped where they chose to.
None of which is to say that the experiences of the QF32 won’t result in subsequent changes to the A380 to deal with such a catastrophic engine failure in the future. But the first step is to drag the mystery of what Rolls-Royce did to these engines, and why, and even to which ones, out in the open, and fix them.
 
Passing along info does not start with the tag line "this is why i fly boeing"!
Surely you can't be that stupid to think that it's not inflammatory...... oh wait
Nevermind, enjoy passing along info.
 
What about a Rolls power BOEING? Or a GE powered Airbus? Or a PW powered MD 80?

Well, FWIW, so far the only serious accident involving a 777 also involved RR Trents. The AAIB would have us believe that two chunks of ice made it past both FOHEs at the exact same time around 700' AGL.

Just sayin...
 
Thanks Wyoming you have now removed all doubt.....

Still want to fly in a Rolls powered A-380?

SYDNEY (AP) -- An oil leak was the most likely cause of the mid-air disintegration of a superjumbo engine last month that prompted a global safety review of the world's newest and largest jetliner, investigators said in a preliminary report on Friday.
The Australian investigators also said they found a potentially dangerous manufacturing defect that may still exist in Rolls-Royce engines used by three airlines on their Airbus A380s. Airlines said they were already checking for the new problem

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Inves...32.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=
 
- The autopilot was kept engaged till about 700 feet Radio Altimeter, time at which the crew took over manually. Flight Directors were ON.

Is this standard procedure when you have an emergency with controllability issues? I have slim to none experience in Airliners, but I would have thought you would want to fly the thing manually if your flight controls were messed up.

Just asking out of interest
 
Subject: More on the A380 saga
You'd think that the Qantas A380 saga would be winding down by now, but you'd
be wrong. Qantas is still struggling with the fact that it can't operate the
A380 to the U.S. because the engines simply can't handle it. This means that
things continue to get worse for engine-maker Rolls-Royce, and I imagine
legal bills have only started to pile on. Rolls needs to get this thing
under control, because right now Qantas is in a bad place.

While Singapore and Lufthansa both use the Rolls-Royce Trent 970, Qantas had
to use the 972 to get 2,000 pounds more thrust for its operation. There
actually isn't much of a difference in the engines at all, but one is rated
to give a little more power. For Qantas, that little bit extra is really
important. Qantas has re-started flights from Sydney to places like
Singapore on the A380, because it doesn't need full thrust to operate that
route. However, the prize has always been flights to Los Angeles, and that's
a different story.
At nearly 7,500 miles, Qantas needs every bit of thrust to get off the
ground at LAX with a full passenger load and a lot of fuel. And that full
thrust requirement is apparently why Qantas is having bigger engine problems
with this airplane than anyone else. Any time you use full thrust, you put
more stress on the engine. Engines are supposed to handle that just fine,
but not in this case.Qantas has now found that it can operate no more than 75 flights at top
thrust before it needs to replace an engine. That's ridiculous, considering
each engine can cost $10 million or more. And it leaves Qantas with a huge
problem.
Rolls-Royce had suggested last month that Qantas operate the engines with
less thrust. That suggestion is completely worthless since it would mean
Qantas could carry a mere 80 passengers on the LA to Sydney route. The
airline might as well just operate a 747 at full capacity for a lot less
cost with a lot more passengers. If it can't carry a full load on the A380,
that airplane is worthless. The funny thing is that Qantas didn't even want
the more powerful engines in the first place. It opted for the same ones as
Lufthansa and Singapore originally, but then Airbus announced the A380 would
weigh 5 tons more than planned. That pushed Qantas to order the
higher-thrust engines in order to make the airplane viable on the LA route.
So now Qantas is stuck between a rock and a hard place. It has A380s on the
property but it can't fly them where it wants without needing a multimillion
dollar engine change every few months. Rolls-Royce is going to have to
fix this problem or Qantas is going to have to find an alternative.
The silver lining for Qantas is that it's not going to be responsible for
any of the cost here. Rolls-Royce and Airbus (to a lesser extent, if any),
however, are going to have to open up those wallets. For Qantas, however, itwould much rather just have an airplane that functions properly. Instead,
Qantas now has to go through its peak travel season without the ability to
use the A380 to the U.S.
 

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