APA takes a stand: no xray, no public pat down

[Crzipilot]

Amazingly added to this conversation, are the airports which allow on duty flight crews to COMPLETELY bypass security. How does that happen?!?!? TSA agents have said it doesn't happen. Hello, I did it for years. TSA doesn't even know what the hll goes on.

Time for a SOS, reports coming in already of some of the gropings, and crew members calling unfit for duty after beings subjected to the abuse.

Meanwhile, there's a few hundred (or maybe thousand at the bigger hubs) that are allowed access to the SIDA area, based on a good will system, that they will not bring anything dangerous inside the gate. No screening, nothing. Meanwhile, what would 500k in their hand persuade them to do? Hey put this little package in the seat back of 15a when your doing your morning security check.....

Yup...TSA is the answer..

 

[densoo]

Amazingly added to this conversation, are the airports which allow on duty flight crews to COMPLETELY bypass security. How does that happen?!?!?

This is completely false. EVERYONE goes through security and is then subject to verification of identity and search once inside security.

However, not everyone goes through 100% bag-check x-ray security. There are alternatives, and some airports have wisely chosen to use them for crew members.

Unfortunately, most have not and therefore crewmembers will continue to cut in front of the elderly, infirm, handicapped, small children, and first class passengers because the airlines could care less about their customers.

 

[BoilerUP]

I completely bypassed the TSA line at both BGM and CRW when I flew for a regional...but that was 3+ years ago.

 

[densoo]

I completely bypassed the TSA line at both BGM and CRW when I flew for a regional...but that was 3+ years ago.

You may have bypassed the "TSA line," but you didn't bypass security.

Did anyone, at any time, check your ID? At the ticket counter, the gate agent? If they did, then you went through security.

 

[Varmint]

Next time these idiots get on the airplane to "inspect" the security inspection, walk down the isle with the crash ax and see if they take it away. When they do, write it up and ground the airplane there.

 

[Lowrider717]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EqV2Rmkqaw


Educate the masses folks. Before the passengers go away for good.

 

[olympus593]

This is completely false. EVERYONE goes through security and is then subject to verification of identity and search once inside security.

However, not everyone goes through 100% bag-check x-ray security. There are alternatives, and some airports have wisely chosen to use them for crew members.

Unfortunately, most have not and therefore crewmembers will continue to cut in front of the elderly, infirm, handicapped, small children, and first class passengers because the airlines could care less about their customers.

Wrong 50% of the airport I fly from we bypass security.

 

[Lowrider717]

Please consider supporting Rutherford, this is the Nonprofit Legal Org that is representing Michael Roberts, the XJA Pilot who refused the scanner and pat down.

http://www.rutherford.org/articles_d...?record_id=683

Invasion of the Body Scanners: More Tales of Terror from the Unfriendly Skies

By John W. Whitehead
November 8, 2010


The outrageous invasion of our privacy rights that is the whole-body scanner (and its equally outrageous counterpart, the full-body pat down) was hurriedly put in place by the government, before Americans could really comprehend what it would mean and whether they were willing to tolerate it. Yet where did the impetus for installing these scanners in our nation's airports come from? And who's responsible for this unfolding nightmare being unleashed on the American people?
As Reuters reported on Dec. 30, 2009, "The path toward rolling out wider use of whole-body security scanners in U.S. airports runs through the White House.... U.S. President Barack Obama could expedite such a deployment because the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Transportation Security Administration (TSA) don't need legislation from Congress to start using the devices at any of the 560 U.S. airports with scheduled airline service."
In fact, legislation has been proposed to mandate full-body scanners and make them the primary screening method in all U.S. airports by 2013, but Congress has yet to act on it. So we can thank President Obama for this frontal assault on our Fourth Amendment rights. Mind you, this is the same man who insisted that "we will not succumb to a siege mentality that sacrifices the open society and liberties and values that we cherish as Americans." Yet in the wake of the bumbling underwear bomber's botched Christmas Day attempt to blow up a Detroit-bound plane, Obama directed the Homeland Security Department "to acquire $1 billion in advanced-technology equipment, including body scanners, for screening passengers at airports." In fact, Obama's Stimulus Bill, which committed more than $3 billion for homeland security projects, is funding the installation of the devices in airports across the country.
The Department of Homeland Security and Transportation Security Administration have been quick to do the president's bidding, aided and abetted by corporate lobbyists eager to make a profit at taxpayer expense. The TSA plans to roll out a total of 450 full-body scanners by year's end, with an additional $88 million included in the 2011 national fiscal budget for 500 more machines. And Congress, which has the power to halt this thing (or at least provide oversight), has done nothing.
All the while, the American people are being subjected to all manner of egregious searches by government agents. Since my commentary about the airline pilot who refused to go through the scanner or be subjected to a pat down ("Michael Roberts: One Man Against the Surveillance State"), I have been bombarded by emails from individuals—particularly women—who have shared their own horrific encounters with TSA agents. The following are some of the most egregious.
This first account is from a woman who suffers from chronic fatigue syndrome:

I was subjected to a TSA rub down in Pittsburgh in September. There is no patting happening. The officer ran her hands over every square inch of my body, firmly pressing into my flesh in every area when I declined to have myself irradiated. Being a recovery from chronic fatigue syndrome, I am extremely aware that my body needs protection from anything that is unnatural or unnecessary, and excess radiation is on my list of things to avoid. Unfortunately, the rub down elicited some trauma issues, and when I got upset and started crying, they started the "pat down" all over again. After I received my belongings, I attempted a photo of the TSA station and officers, at which point I was apprehended, my ID was taken, I had to delete my photos at their demand and eventually when they realized I had no record, they told me to go get on the plane before I got into trouble. Why am I, a 49-year-old woman, employed for 28 years by IBM, mother of two teenagers, married for 27 years, being viewed as a terrorist? The trauma of the "pat down" has reactivated an autoimmune condition and I have spent the last 4 weeks working to bring my immune system back into balance. I can't imagine getting on an airplane with the possibility of this happening again. I would like to protest this invasion of privacy, but how?
​

The second is from a ticketing agent who was suspended after objecting to TSA's search of her wallet:

I just had my second run-in with TSA while attempting to go to work. I was refused the right to go to work because after I willingly handed TSA my lunch bag (which only contained my pocketbook, 2 restaurant paper napkins, and a piece of a news page crossword puzzle), they proceeded to empty my pocketbook, piece by piece, and go through my wallet, credit card by credit card, checking every nook and cranny in both my purse and my wallet. When they began going thru my wallet, I objected. I may have lost my job because of these arrogant and ignorant individuals.
​

The last is from a flight attendant who commutes to work each week:

This Sunday, I unknowingly went through the full body scanner. I had heard a little about the full body scanners but just never paid attention because I just thought that it wouldn't really happen. The TSA people said that the other machine was "broken" so me and one other female flight attendant would have to go through the new one.
They didn't tell me it was a Full Body Scanner. I was not made aware that I even had an option to be patted down instead. After the scan, I was still patted down on my breast area because I was wearing my flight attendant wings. I truly felt molested. As a female traveler, I already have to deal with personal safety issues. In the past, when I have gone through the security line, I have experienced two of the TSA men standing staring at me, and I could overhear them deciding whether they thought I was attractive.
I realize the fact that the security people are not really highly trained professionals is a separate issue from the fact that I am literally being stripped of my Liberties and Rights. That just makes it all the more unjust. It is humiliating to be strip searched. I haven't committed a crime, so I have not given up my rights! I have not broken any laws. I am a Citizen of the United States, and I thought that I lived in a free country where people fought to protect our Liberties. Why couldn't they have spent the money to implement security measures that involve using high levels of training that are proven to protect? The Israelis have a 40-year proven track record and they do not use full body scanners.
What are my rights? Do I even have any? I don't choose to fly. I do it because I need the money to survive. It's my job. I don't want to be strip scanned because it is an invasion of my privacy rights as a human being. If I give in to this and act like I'm fine with it, just to fit in at work and not be singled out, then what next? Will I be subjected to cavity checks? I feel sickened by this, literally. It's like the frog that gets boiled slowly or how Germany became Nazi Germany. It all is very subtle. People just go along and when we realize that we have no Rights left it is too late. I am not ashamed of my body but the reality is I am having to basically be naked in front of a group of my "peers" who I don't trust and who have no right to search my being.
I fly for a living every week. No one is more concerned about airport/airline safety than I am. One truly infuriating aspect of this whole body scan debacle is that it has been shown to fail. Far more insidiously, it eases some people's minds into a false sense of security.
I literally got ill from stress after educating myself on Full Body Scanners and that I was clueless enough to walk through one giving my rights away. In the future, I may be forced to do it several times a week just to keep my job. My rights are just being taken away, and I am now at the mercy of being stripped and it isn't making me any safer! I could deal with a few TSA agents being abusive when I had the protection and dignity of my clothing layer protecting my private areas. Now that those same people have the power to virtual strip search me and pat down my crotch and breasts, I just feel abused.
This whole procedure is as arbitrary as making me pull down my pants before I can receive my coffee from the girl at Starbucks in the airport. I am going to choose to be patted down from this point forward, but this could put me at risk of delaying a flight and mistreated by the TSA to prove a point to me. I am a very compliant, shy person by nature. Full body scanners just made my personal world all the more dangerous and unsafe for me to live in. There are other proven "Effective means" to do this without taking my personal dignity and my feelings of personal well being away from me.
​

 

[densoo]

Wrong 50% of the airport I fly from we bypass security.

Without showing a crew ID card to anyone, at any time? I doubt it.

 

[BoilerUP]

Showing an ID to a $8/hr CSR isn't exactly the same level of "security" as going through an X-ray and having your bag go through a scanner...

 

[Jim Smyth]

glad to see someone has a pair of balls in our industry

Right on!

 

[densoo]

Showing an ID to a $8/hr CSR isn't exactly the same level of "security" as going through an X-ray and having your bag go through a scanner...

No it's not, but it is a security check, it is appropriate for a pilot who has been fingerprinted and vetted, and, more importantly, it is one of the alternatives allowed by the TSA. Which makes the theater that pilots are going through at 100% bag check x-ray security all the more absurd.

 

[Av8rPHX]

I completely bypassed the TSA line at both BGM and CRW when I flew for a regional...but that was 3+ years ago.

Yup, right from the ticket counter, through Ops in PSP and SBA and a few others as well....also 3 years or so ago.

 

[Crzipilot]

Lets add on to that list where airports have given based crewmembers sida badges which allows the crew member to swipe such card in parking lot. Walk across the ramp, and directly onto their jet. Never saying hello to anyone.

Walking up to ops. Saying hello, never waving a badge. Maybe they glanced at it dangling from ones neck, but not necessarily "inspecting" it. I can name of 10-15 cities which do this.

Don't give me, Well you went through security. Absolutely not. I could have had a .50 caliber machine gun strapped to my shoulders, and I doubt they would have noticed.

 

[Skybus]

This could have been stopped 25 years ago. DAY 1 when Crews were required to pass through security, NO UNION Pilot should have crossed that line. If then, we would not be having this discussion. The irony is that the guy that shot the USAir crew to this day (if alive) could still do the same thing at almost any airport in the US INCLUDING the airport (LAX) where he worked.

Come on guys, time to grow some here and stop the insanity. Hopefully the box we are haulin below dosn't kill us first.

Bus

 

[densoo]

CNN cites USAPA and APA. Where's ALPA!

C'mon ALPA get on the bandwagon! Your website says you are the largest pilots' union representing 53,000 pilots and 38 airlines. Where are you!! There is public sentiment blowing our way. This may be the only chance to get TSA, Congress, or the airlines, to implement CrewPass. The moment is fleeting. Do it!!

CNN

Pilots' unions for US Airways and American Airlines are urging their members to avoid full-body scanning at airport security checkpoints, citing health risks and concerns about intrusiveness and security officer behavior.

"Pilots should NOT submit to AIT (Advanced Imaging Technology) screening," wrote Capt. Mike Cleary, president of the U.S. Airline Pilots Association, in a letter to members this week. USAPA represents more than 5,000 US Airways pilots.

"Based on currently available medical information, USAPA has determined that frequent exposure to TSA-operated scanner devices may subject pilots to significant health risks," Cleary wrote.

American Airlines pilots have also received guidance from their union, the Allied Pilots Association, to decline full-body scanning. APA represents 11,000 pilots.

"It's safe to say that most of the APA leadership shares my view that no pilot at American Airlines should subject themselves to the needless privacy invasion and potential health risks caused by the AIT body scanners," APA president David Bates said in a letter to members.

Both unions are concerned about the effects of repeated exposure to small doses of radiation emitted by the backscatter technology used in some of the Transportation Security Administration's full-body scanners.
In the course of their daily duties, pilots are routinely exposed to elevated levels of naturally occurring atmospheric radiation, which increases at higher altitudes.

The unions urge members to choose security lines that use standard metal detectors whenever possible. When faced with AIT screening, pilots should opt for enhanced pat-downs, although this security procedure also concerns the unions.

Unions are encouraging pilots to request private pat-downs. USAPA urges members to make sure a witness is present during the procedure.
USAPA refers to incidents where Transportation Security Administration officers may have implemented the screening technique inappropriately.
One pilot described his experience as "sexual molestation," according to Cleary's letter. Bates wrote, "There is absolutely no denying that the enhanced pat-down is a demeaning experience."

Both unions are looking for long-term solutions to airline crew screening.
"Pilots really should never have been subjected to this type of screening, ever. Because when we walk through these machines, within a few hundred yards we get into what potentially could be the biggest weapon on the airport, and that's the airplane," said James Ray, a USAirways captain and spokesman for USAPA.

Pilots are well screened with security background checks and regular medical and mental health checks, he said. The union suggests implementing alternate identity verification technology that would allow pilots to bypass regular passenger screening.

The TSA said it welcomes further discussion with pilots and emphasized the agency's role in addressing security threats.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/11/11/pilots.body.scanning/index.html?npt=NP1

 

[densoo]

OK, so by Friday ALPA will be onboard

You would think the National Security Committee would have been directed to do this months ago when the machines were being deployed. Oh, well, at least they'll join in on Friday. There is hope! CrewPass by Christmas?

From ALPA

"Also, since many of you have requested more information and direction on the options that working pilots have when they are faced with airport screening by AIT, I have directed our National Security Committee to develop a comprehensive security operations bulletin with information that it has gleaned about AIT screening and pat-downs at an invitation-only TSA conference held earlier this week, at which ALPA was the only union invited to attend. Look for that bulletin not later than Friday as well."

 

[JoeMerchant]

You may have bypassed the "TSA line," but you didn't bypass security.

Did anyone, at any time, check your ID? At the ticket counter, the gate agent? If they did, then you went through security.

Actually, half the time we "by pass", nobody checks our ID....