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How Effective is the Bags Fly Free Program?

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How Effective is the Bags Fly Free Program at Southwest?

Still looking for the market share numbers for comparison from 3Q10 to previous quarters but found this article and its survey results interesting.

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How Southwest Measures the Success of “Bags Fly Free”


I spent last week at Southwest Airlines (LUV) Media Day and one of the most commonly asked questions was addressed head-on in the first session. With Southwest deciding to forgo so much money in bag fees, how was it measuring success when the numbers aren’t readily available? Kevin Krone, VP of marketing, sales, and distribution took us through it.

The proposition is that customers hate bag fees and Southwest does what’s right by the customer. It would rather win a new customer or win more business from an existing customer than push them away by charging hated fees. But it’s hard for Southwest to measure exactly how much business it gets directly because of bag fees, so it has to rely on surveying for a lot of its analysis.


Kevin walked us through some survey results that were directly tied to the kickoff of the Southwest Bags Fly Free campaign. Remember, two free bags have always been allowed, but it was only in the last couple years or so that the marketing really ramped up to take full advantage of the differentiation as other airlines added fees.


After the first TV ad went up, Southwest did some testing. The surveys were concentrated in cities where Southwest flew, but responses were from a mix of Southwest customers and non-customers. The results would make any marketer drool.

  • 90 percent liked the ad
  • 84 percent agreed that “It tells me the brand is not like other brands”
  • 73 percent agreed that “It motivates me to choose this brand over other ones”
  • 84 percent had a higher perception of Southwest based on seeing the ad
Not too shabby, but how important was it in the decision-making process? Southwest surveyed people on what matters most when buying a ticket, and the top results weren’t surprising. Everyone put safety first, but then business travelers put the usual schedule and price next. But below that was “does not charge unreasonable fees.” For leisure travelers, price came second but then it was the fee thing again, ahead of schedule. I’m guessing the results here are skewed since saying “unreasonable” already biases results, but clearly fees are top of mind these days, so Southwest went to capitalize even further. The results continued to improve.


In one survey, Southwest was shown to be the airline people consider flying first by 28 percent of respondents in 3Q 2009. By 2Q 2010, that had risen steadily up to 35 percent.


Another interesting comparison is to look at a survey that’s been given over several years. Looking at this from 2006 to 2008 and then 2010, the increases are remarkable.

  • “It’s my favorite airline and I’d go out of my way to fly with them/one of the first I’d consider flying” went from 42 percent to 58 percent with all of the gain coming from the coveted business traveler.
  • “It’s the best airline out there/one of the better ones” went from 56 percent to 70 percent.
  • “Really like and have a lot/something in common with” went from 54 percent to 64 percent.
The increase in brand identification was phenomenal and it does show from a qualitative standpoint, that Southwest is doing things right.
But what about from a quantitative standpoint? That’s harder to do.



Southwest sees a shift in its favor, but it can’t be pinned directly to a single ad. There are too many other variables out there. But with the airline significantly improving its standing and making good money, it’s hard to argue that Southwest has taken the wrong path. So what’s next on the marketing side for Southwest? I’ll talk about that tomorrow.
 
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ALL the airlines are full. The bag fees aren't going away. The airlines are earning 300-400 million per quarter just on bag fees. They aren't going to walk away from that kind of money. People pay.
 
Nice to know SWA can walk away from that much revenue.
 
They aren't going to walk away from that kind of money. People pay.

For now....

That "taking your customer for granted" attitude is doing wonders for my profit-sharing. Keep it up, please! :D
 
It's been a blowout.

Planes are full with people complaining about the other airline's bag fees.

Didn't Delta make $900 million in profits last quarter with the bag fees? How did the other legacies do? Maybe if the SWA CEO added bag fees, he could pay both the AT guys SWA wages AND give SWA pilots a small raise.
 
The only people that dislike it are the other airlines. They always use the same excuse "look at how much revenue you are missing out on" by not screwing your customer. They want SWA to charge so it will make them look better/even the playing field. They fail to understand SWA's basic concept from day one. It is not about gouging the customer for every nickel. It is about getting them from point A to point B, safely, efficiently and on time at the lowest cost. That is why when SWA goes into a market they call it the SWA effect. Not the bend over and take it legacy effect. I cannot count how many people I have spoken to that hate all the new fees most carriers are coming up with.
 
Didn't Delta make $900 million in profits last quarter with the bag fees? How did the other legacies do? Maybe if the SWA CEO added bag fees, he could pay both the AT guys SWA wages AND give SWA pilots a small raise.

Thanks, I was wondering if bags fly free was a good idea myself.You are wrong 100 percent of the time,so. Thank you for putting me to ease.
 
I cannot count how many people I have spoken to that hate all the new fees most carriers are coming up with.
There are only 25 double wides in your neighborhood. Have to drop your fly to count past 20?
 
We (JB) don't charge for first bag. But we charge for 2nd 3rd ect...I agree with that. I don't like first bag. I j/s on big D twice a week...it's obnoxious how many carryons there are since the 1st checked bag fee began...same with Tranny. On a 717 the other day...I swear there was at least 30 carryon bags NOT making onto the plane after the cabin bulked out. Causes boarding time to take waaaay too long.
 
Yes but what if you have no baggage and fly that way often.......You are going to be subsidizing that teen age chic with 100 pounds of crap she insists on taking with her when she goes to visit her dad for the summer. I hear frequent flyers who travel light say the love the bag fees. Allows them a cheaper ticket so the ones that insist on taking all the cargo pay their fair share. If swa airlines charged for bags they could lower the overall fair prices.
 
The only people that dislike it are the other airlines. They always use the same excuse "look at how much revenue you are missing out on" by not screwing your customer. They want SWA to charge so it will make them look better/even the playing field. They fail to understand SWA's basic concept from day one. It is not about gouging the customer for every nickel. It is about getting them from point A to point B, safely, efficiently and on time at the lowest cost. That is why when SWA goes into a market they call it the SWA effect. Not the bend over and take it legacy effect. I cannot count how many people I have spoken to that hate all the new fees most carriers are coming up with.

Ummmmm, whaaa? The other airlines luv it as it adds to their overall net income margin. You know, the total profits which most major airlines have been making more than southwest since the bag fees (or is NIM above your intel level?) You need a primer from Heb and Gary, young man, as your "getting them from point A to point B, safely, efficiently and on time at the lowest cost" is well past the southwest model.
Check out the earnings charts (if you're able to decipher them.)
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/10/alaska-air-group-tops-earnings.html
 
The only people that dislike it are the other airlines. They always use the same excuse "look at how much revenue you are missing out on" by not screwing your customer. They want SWA to charge so it will make them look better/even the playing field. They fail to understand SWA's basic concept from day one. It is not about gouging the customer for every nickel. It is about getting them from point A to point B, safely, efficiently and on time at the lowest cost. That is why when SWA goes into a market they call it the SWA effect. Not the bend over and take it legacy effect. I cannot count how many people I have spoken to that hate all the new fees most carriers are coming up with.

What you fail to understand, this HAS to be SWA's position now.... they have staked out that claim. If SWA were to institute baggage fees now, they would look like complete followers, no different/better than the rest. If everyone else truly thought they were losing money over bag fees they could drop them in an instant. Time will tell who has the correct path. I am glad that you are so confident in SWA's management prowess though, it's very comforting.
 
Average one way fare for AAI last quarter was $92. Average for SWA $132. AAI charges $20 for bags. SWA no feee. AAI allows people to change their flight for no charge if seats are available (I have even see them REFUND a portion of the fare.) SWA charges up to $150. I think SWA has a handle on the revenue generation fomula.
 
The bag fee debate is an interesting one. A couple of observations:

Legacy airlines are barely able, if at all, to keep on time departures due to handling bags in the cabin / jetway when the flight is full (certainly the case at my home airport). With capacity reduced, flights are always full and this is routine. I find it humorous that the FA's start announcing with boarding Group 1 how everyone must get their 10 pounds of crap into the 5 pound bin quickly to assure an on-time departure. Their management created this horrendous bottleneck and expect them to manage it on the back end of the boarding process by checking bags. It doesn't work well, frustrates everyone involved, and makes a bad experience (riding in typical coach class) even worse.

If you're flying USAir (which I my company books me on frequently), they have figured out this bottleneck to some degree, and have begun allowing you to check your bag to your destination - prior to boarding. If you choose to do so, bags fly for FREE. So take your bag through security and if you're in one of the last boarding groups or just don't want to schlep your bag, check it at that point. At least they're trying to improve the boarding / on time performance, even if it risks loss of some revenue.

When it is my choice of which airline I fly, I'll take SWA any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Their pricing (from my home airport) is almost always competitive to my destinations of choice, and their boarding process is efficient - made even more so by an obvious lack of excess bags trying to enter the cabin. Not to mention the cabin crew is almost always in a good mood.

YMMV.
 
Average one way fare for AAI last quarter was $92. Average for SWA $132. AAI charges $20 for bags. SWA no feee. AAI allows people to change their flight for no charge if seats are available (I have even see them REFUND a portion of the fare.) SWA charges up to $150. I think SWA has a handle on the revenue generation fomula.

Southwest Fees for changing flight:

Non-refundable ticket change fee: free
Reservation by phone fee: free

Airtran fees for changing flight:
Non-refundable ticket change fee: $75
Reservation by phone fee: $15

Source: FairCompare website


There is a difference in a "change fee" vs. being charged more for a higher price ticket on a later or earlier flight based upon the original ticket price. Southwest does not sell "stand-by" tickets allowing those who purchase lower price tickets to fly on higher priced flights. The pax on most occasions will be required to pay the difference between their original ticket and the higher fare; that can range from less than $10 to several hundred simply depending upon the distance and price paid by the consumer at the time of purchase. Merely because the plane has empty seats doesn't permit the individual to "upgrade" to the more convenient flight but many times the additional cost is waived depending upon circumstances. SWA states very clearly that a request for an earlier flight may result in an increase in the cost of the ticket. Moving a flight from one day to the next or "banking" the unused flight for later use results in no "fees" being assessed unlike other carriers.
 
For the flying I do, I find that the total cost for a SWA ticket is usually more than other airlines even when I factor in the cost of checking one bag.

What I find interesting is that some airlines don't charge for checked bags if you are going to/from Europe.
 

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