A question for USAIR pilots?

[vetrider]

East pilots don't post, they just spy and file RICO suits against those that do, west pilots of course.

 

[becket]

Thanks Dave. I guess the young PFT crowd of AWA frequents this board. Many are ex 90's commuter pilots. Not to many real USAir pilots on here. It's an age thing.

M

So You're claiming that you're primary motivation to get on here and cheer on the fake union has NOTHING to do with a certain 1999 hire?

Right.

 

[Guppiedriver]

I don't believe your claim that a 2005 hire could hold captain on the east. Post up your latest equipment bid and then the I'll look at the Nic list.

Could a furloughed east pilot hired in 1989 hold a senior captain slot in PHX with a DOH list? Not just any DOH list, but the list that USAPA handed to the company that does not adjust for LOS.

Come on MCDU, answer the question.

 

[MCDU]

Go to wings. It is all there to see.The East bids are posted there. Bottom E 190 Cap about 300 numbers behind furloughed west pilots.

M

 

[Guppiedriver]

Go to wings. It is all there to see.The East bids are posted there. Bottom E 190 Cap about 300 numbers behind furloughed west pilots.

M

Could a furloughed east pilot hired in 1989 hold a senior captain slot in PHX with a DOH list? Not just any DOH list, but the list that USAPA handed to the company that does not adjust for LOS.

 

[MCDU]

Could a furloughed east pilot hired in 1989 hold a senior captain slot in PHX with a DOH list? Not just any DOH list, but the list that USAPA handed to the company that does not adjust for

LOS.

First of all, there are no furloughed 1989 East pilots.They were recalled 5 years ago while Nic was trying to figure out the list. CAL, United Delta, all had pilots on furlough back then due to 9/11 and outsourcing. When the list came out, East 1989 were active pilots due to East attrition.

Read the C and R's. You do not lose any Capt seats in PHX. There are protections for West bases. The Nic has nothing.

So, a 1989 pilot could hold capt. in PHX if there is an opening. Bottom line, the West is scared. Te jobs they had in 2005 are worth nothing and now they want to have a lifeboat to East bases were the East pilots sacrified down to min fleet and BK wages.

M

 

[cactusboy53]

First of all, there are no furloughed 1989 East pilots.They were recalled 5 years ago while Nic was trying to figure out the list. CAL, United Delta, all had pilots on furlough back then due to 9/11 and outsourcing. When the list came out, East 1989 were active pilots due to East attrition.

Read the C and R's. You do not lose any Capt seats in PHX. There are protections for West bases. The Nic has nothing.

So, a 1989 pilot could hold capt. in PHX if there is an opening. Bottom line, the West is scared. Te jobs they had in 2005 are worth nothing and now they want to have a lifeboat to East bases were the East pilots sacrified down to min fleet and BK wages.

M

I'm sorry to correct you, but the furloughed pilots at the former US Air were recalled while the two merger committees went through the merged seniority integration process. Those pilots had no chance to return to a job, had the merger not occurred. Arbitrator Nicolau and the two pilot neutrals got it right. "Fairness" is in the eye of the beholder.....and we all have heard your opinion countless times on what is fair.

Conversely the pilots that had a job when US Air was acquired were furloughed out of seniority during the recent downturn in the economy. God Bless them all, the are returning to work in PHX in earnest.

Go peddle your revisionist history somewhere else. We'll not be buying any of your DOH w/ C&R cheer leading today, or any other day. Further, we are not scared in the least. This will be played out in our court systems because one side fails to recognize a final and binding arbitration, and the other side is forced to defend our position and will not roll over and give you what you think you are entitled to.

M; It seems that with your knowledge level & enthusiasm, you must simply be a pilot for the new US Air. I would guess that you are a junior (previously furloughed) pilot that returned to the new US Airways. Your knowledge of the events likely also places you in USAPA as a fervent volunteer. Good for you. Everyone needs a hobby.

Have a great night! Next week will be a great week......cool nights, brightly colored leaves, and the hint of frost just around the corner. I'm just finishing a week's vacation and a week next to it off. It has been awesome. Our time off, vacation time, sick time, LTD, STD, dead-head pay, mechanical pay (to name just a few advantages) and all the rest of the contract we work under are pretty darn good. You guys could have had that and a wage that would have been 10-11% greater than what the AWA wages are currently (at the least)! Pity.

 

[Captzaahlie]

so there.....

 

[Guppiedriver]

First of all, there are no furloughed 1989 East pilots.They were recalled 5 years ago while Nic was trying to figure out the list. CAL, United Delta, all had pilots on furlough back then due to 9/11 and outsourcing. When the list came out, East 1989 were active pilots due to East attrition.

Read the C and R's. You do not lose any Capt seats in PHX. There are protections for West bases. The Nic has nothing.

So, a 1989 pilot could hold capt. in PHX if there is an opening. Bottom line, the West is scared. Te jobs they had in 2005 are worth nothing and now they want to have a lifeboat to East bases were the East pilots sacrified down to min fleet and BK wages.

M

So US Air would have recalled pilots even if the merger had not happened?

I did. I didn't say we would. There are none. Then why are you afraid of it?

Finally he answers the question.

But you know what, it doesn't matter because your DOH dream list will never see the light of day.

 

[johnnyb]

Conversely the pilots that had a job when US Air was acquired were furloughed out of seniority during the recent downturn in the economy.

They were not furloughed out of seniority. The Nic award is worthless and will remain worthless until we have a joint contract - which we do not.

Frankly, if you'll read the TA, the company has an additional 12 months after a joint agreement before the first system bid joining the 2 pilot groups is to be put out.

Your attempted distortion of the process does none of us any good.

 

[JetMonkey]

Your little C&C condition remark: (Capts don't lose their slot in PHX) doesn't hold any water out here a$$ munch. Of course no west capt will lose their slot, no fo's either. But what happens when PHX starts to grow and new positions open? Ahh, well its all based on doh then right? Who the he!! do you think your fooling??

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Thanks Dave. I guess the young PFT crowd of AWA frequents this board. Many are ex 90's commuter pilots. Not to many real USAir pilots on here. It's an age thing.

M

Yourself included right doosh?
I mean you're not a real Us Airways pilot. Maybe your man love st. nic is. However, making less than most Mesa pilots, isn't something to be real proud of.....
Only thing is, you're still a Gulfstream Academy washout.

 

[cactusboy53]

They were not furloughed out of seniority. The Nic award is worthless and will remain worthless until we have a joint contract - which we do not.

Frankly, if you'll read the TA, the company has an additional 12 months after a joint agreement before the first system bid joining the 2 pilot groups is to be put out.

Your attempted distortion of the process does none of us any good.

Once again, your opinion of the value of the Nicolau Award. You are correct, the Nicolau Award remains unused until a joint contract is ratified (and then some time after that, true).

I did not distort the process. This has now taken over 5 years and counting. I said the courts will ultimately decide the final outcome, and that because one party REFUSES to accept a final and binding arbitration. In the meantime the east continues to work under LOA 93 wages, meaning the loss of MILLIONS of dollars and WEEKS (if not MONTHS) of time off that will never be recovered. Pity.

According to the transcripts the pilots that were furloughed from AAA at the announcement of the merger were FURLOUGHED. They were called back to work (at the NEW US Airways) after the merger was completed in Sept. 2005. Conversely, AWA was hiring and growing. 140+ former AWA pilots that are SENIOR to those furloughed pilots on the Nicolau Award were furloughed out of seniority order during the recent down turn in the economy. Regardless of separate operations, those guys were still senior.

Revisionist history is a no-sale here. Time is ticking on, MILLIONS of dollars are being lost in a contract that we should have had 2 years ago. The biggest benefactor? USAPA legal counsel by leaps & bounds.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Hey Scope....

The doosh hangs out on another site claiming United as well...

Read it here.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-f...did=4737316&searchid=4737640&s=mcdu#ID4737640

His profile here.
http://www.airliners.net/profile/mcdu

Can you imagine the money this kid's shrink makes off him?:laugh:

 

[johnnyb]

I did not distort the process. This has now taken over 5 years and counting.

Regardless of separate operations, those guys were still senior.

Suggest you settle in. Spoke with an Atlas buddy the other day - 10 years down the road an that merger is still dead in the water.

Separate Ops - you have no bidding power out East.

See you in 2015.

 

[St. Nic]

Suggest you settle in. Spoke with an Atlas buddy the other day - 10 years down the road an that merger is still dead in the water.

Separate Ops - you have no bidding power out East.

See you in 2015.

I heard from an Atlas pal that they are close to a contract- and the rates are north of DAL.
Cleary's going to deliver an industry leading contract for US- the west will be VERY happy imo

 

[Guppiedriver]

Cleary's going to deliver an industry leading contract for US- the west will be VERY happy imo

Be prepared to be disappointed.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I heard from an Atlas pal that they are close to a contract- and the rates are north of DAL.
Cleary's going to deliver an industry leading contract for US- the west will be VERY happy imo

The only thing industry leading the scumbags out east have done is bringing the industry down.
Congrats on that job stealer......Um, st. nic.

 

[becket]

I heard from an Atlas pal that they are close to a contract- and the rates are north of DAL.
Cleary's going to deliver an industry leading contract for US- the west will be VERY happy imo

Cleary can't deliver a Effing newspaper!!! You're going to be under LOA93 for the rest of your career. You chose it, you live it, too effing bad.

Your only hope is to dump USAPA and accept reality.

 

[cactusboy53]

Suggest you settle in. Spoke with an Atlas buddy the other day - 10 years down the road an that merger is still dead in the water.

Separate Ops - you have no bidding power out East.

See you in 2015.

Here's the difference: The Atlas vs. Polar is quite different. USAPA was formed for the specific reason to dodge the final & binding seniority list. USAPA was caught trying to deliver a DOH list to LCC instead of accepting the Nicolau Award.

Yes, we are in this 5 years. It will be less than another 5 (2 more likely) before we are given a contract to vote on (that will likely include the Nicolau Award).

If the LOA 93 grievance is lost, you are stuck with that contract. If we are offered a contract that is basically the AWA contract (generally a better contract) along with the Delta wage scale + 1%.......are you so sure that it will not pass ratification?? It's a pity that we will not be able to recover the money and time off lost, and still be in the same seniority boat. The good news here is at least someone was supremely confident.

I plan on being in Philly in 2012 (unless of course the Mayan's were correct, and that will be the end of the world). See you there kiddo.