ASA PBS mock bid

[ASA_Aviator]

Well in that case, train-away I say!!!

Train train train train train!!!

Good idea. Cost the company money. That way when we bid for new business we cost more than our competitors, and we won't get the contracts.

 

[Freebrd]

Good idea. Cost the company money. That way when we bid for new business we cost more than our competitors, and we won't get the contracts.

dude the Co be wanting PBS, they can pay for it, and we still will get contracts.

 

[LazyLightnin']

dude the Co be wanting PBS, they can pay for it, and we still will get contracts.

Pay no attention to that doosher.. He's management. We've known this for a while now.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

It's not that difficult to learn. If you're over 45, were on the ATR for like 19 years and didn't make the cut during jet transition, then yes, you may not like it. Otherwise, it's not a bad thing... and plenty sophisticated to do what you want if you PRACTICE. Now where's mah practice bid at?

 

[SPDBRD747400]

-This agreement needs serious fixes. You can't blame me for getting this crap shoved up our collective pooper-I voted "NO!"

Same here!

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Pay no attention to that doosher.. He's management. We've known this for a while now.

Never mind. It isn't worth it.

 

[FL990]

XJET guys better pay attention:

This system gives far too much control to the company. We are just trying to sugar-coat things to make it look like our agreement doesn't suck so much.

"software problems" my ass! This system sorts trips real pretty, but it still gives the company WAAAAYYY to much license to break one off in some uncomfortable place.

-This agreement needs serious fixes. You can't blame me for getting this crap shoved up our collective pooper-I voted "NO!"

Just out of curiosity, do you work in crew planning...'cause, I'm just wondering how gaining the ability to individually choose your pairings and "self construct" your line gives the COMPANY more control building your line than what they currently have, and the only explaination that I can come up with is that you work for crew planning.

Truth is, right now, you have no say in the line construction...you simply scuffle over the lines THEY construct. You are stuck in THEIR schedule pattern (ie. 4 on, 3 off...etc), and have limited ability to customize anything...our PBS system gives you that ability.

Personally, I am ready to get this thing turned on.

 

[mtsupilot]

I just successfully turned another 7 Day Vacation in September into 22 days off. I can't believe you guys voted for PBS. I really can't believe that I am having to listen to all these "YES" votes bitch about the system.

 

[the palm]

I just successfully turned another 7 Day Vacation in September into 22 days off. I can't believe you guys voted for PBS. I really can't believe that I am having to listen to all these "YES" votes bitch about the system.

But at what expense? You got screwed by the MMG formula for dropping those trip conflicts. With PBS you still get 22 days off using only one week of vacation without the pay hit. Sign me up.

 

[FL990]

I just successfully turned another 7 Day Vacation in September into 22 days off. I can't believe you guys voted for PBS. I really can't believe that I am having to listen to all these "YES" votes bitch about the system.

The Min for Sept is 70 hrs of credit to complete a line per the PBS bid package. By taking a virtual credit of 28 hrs for vacation, that leaves you with 42 hrs to pickup. So, if you pickup two 4days that are 21 hrs each, for example (there are 278), or other combinations that add up to 42 hrs credit over 8 days of work, you can have 22 days off in the PBS system as well. Best of all, you can do this by completely customizing your schedule and working on the days YOU WANT to work...(ie 4 on, 2 off, 4 on...this would give you up to 20 days off in a row...you could also combine other pairing lengths...) AND, all this is done WHILE GETTING PAID GAURANTEE!!

 

[sweptback]

This mock bid is useless, and that's because there's no incentive to participate. Pilots are generally lazy and therefore won't take the time to do anything. All it takes is one person senior to me to not bid and the results are worthless.

Some airlines fixed this problem by paying a token amount for participating in the mock bid. We all know that won't happen at ASA. What they should do, at least for one month, is to tie the mock bid to your line bid. If you don't put in a mock bid, you don't get your line bid and get stuck with reserve. That would be enough motivation to get everybody on board. They would one have to do that for one month and people would quickly learn.

Really, I don't need practice on how to bid. I need to learn what my seniority will hold under PBS so I can bid appropriately. I already know what my seniority will hold under line bidding, and I'm kind of applying that to PBS, but until the results are published I won't know for sure.

I agree with others, just turn the damn thing on already.

 

[crj567]

I just successfully turned another 7 Day Vacation in September into 22 days off. I can't believe you guys voted for PBS. I really can't believe that I am having to listen to all these "YES" votes bitch about the system.

I agree 100%

Many people are just not smart enough to visualize how much this system can suck.. It is all too dependent on the company demonstrating that they can be sweet to us. When the hell have they ever "been sweet" enough to make this system work as it is intended to work? -Not since I have been around here. One place we will run into trouble is that the company gets to set the TLV over a huge range at their discretion-that will hugely affect the type of schedule which we can hold. I wouldn't be very be surprised to see over 50% of our lineholders at 12 days or less off.

-Anyhow-we gave away a lot with this one-and we were scammed by a misleading sales job. Some folks just have to learn the hard way.

 

[buscap]

I agree 100%

Many people are just not smart enough to visualize how much this system can suck.. It is all too dependent on the company demonstrating that they can be sweet to us. When the hell have they ever "been sweet" enough to make this system work as it is intended to work? -Not since I have been around here. One place we will run into trouble is that the company gets to set the TLV over a huge range at their discretion-that will hugely affect the type of schedule which we can hold. I wouldn't be very be surprised to see over 50% of our lineholders at 12 days or less off.

-Anyhow-we gave away a lot with this one-and we were scammed by a misleading sales job. Some folks just have to learn the hard way.

You may be right, but we won't know until the darn thing is turned on and we bid for real.

So in the end, I think it best you withhold your "I told ya so" until you actually can say "I told ya so".

 

[Kerveball]

No, you are not paying for it, the company is.

And who do you think is paying meal money and car mileage?

I'll give you a hint, its not the company.

 

[jstyle13]

And looks like round 3(?) of the mock bid was another no go. Flightline needs to get thier crap together. I don't think we will be live with it till Jan or later.