ASA July lines...

[goose32]

Worst I've seen in 6 years. Kinda surprised this wasn't a thread already.
Down to just 17 nap lines, the line with most days off is only 16? Only 24 lines with 15 or more days off (16) Oh and they are ALL 4 DAYS.
WTF?

 

[Freebrd]

ahh they're just trying to piss us off
oh don't forget those higher goals now :laugh:

 

[CheeseHead13]

Might be time for a sick-cation!

 

[goahead]

Yup gonna have a great fourth, this is horrible 106 out of 398 200CA on reserve. Bet they'll still offer time and half and all red arrow days.

 

[crj567]

God-F-ing-damn these lines are the worst pile of monkey squeeze I have EVER seen!

-And 83% of our people think PBS is gonna make this better!

 

[Abernathy]

They're doing it because they know (think?) that all the pilots will do is whine about it and not take action.. Way too many kool-aid drinkers here and the company knows how to mix it up well.

With regard to PBS, I've heard that pilots are capped with the amount of opentime credit they can pick up. Can anyone confirm this?

 

[crj567]

They're doing it because they know (think?) that all the pilots will do is whine about it and not take action.. Way too many kool-aid drinkers here and the company knows how to mix it up well.

With regard to PBS, I've heard that pilots are capped with the amount of opentime credit they can pick up. Can anyone confirm this?

You are correct-sir! There are tons of KoolAid chuggers plying the hallways these days.. Depressing... People will excuse almost anything-Brad will make it all better! Funny how that uncomfortable feeling in our collective posterior is getting a bit worse-so soon after PBS was passed.. But we are doing "an incredible job." Aren't we? "GO-TEAM GO ASA, GO ASA, YAAAAAAAAY, GIT-IT-DONE" To paraphrase the undisputed queen of the punchbowl. No-kidding-we really do have someone that obnoxious.

I am not sure about the cap-but with crappy trips like this, who could pick anything up? I actually saw a 19-leg 4 day in there-with a the last overnight being 9 hours after a 6-leg day! I would be absolutely wasted. WTF junior?!?!?! Most of these trips are blocked so high that you really couldn't pick anything up if you wanted....

-Oh well. Welcome to the suck!

 

[CTS]

They should use reserves what they are for..... sick calls, vacation, and irregular operations. A pilot sitting and not flying waiting for one of these events is OK.. Its part of the cost of doing business. With all the open time they have, a lot more pilots could have lines. Instead they seem to leave trips in open time..... for what? To make sure all pilots fly above or at 75? I could make a good argument that we did not need PBS IF they had managed the current system better. I am in the top 30 and might not get a nap line. Me on a 4 day is more dangerous than me on the 3rd nap. LOL.....Good Grief.

 

[zawillif]

Worst I've seen in 6 years. Kinda surprised this wasn't a thread already.
Down to just 17 nap lines, the line with most days off is only 16? Only 24 lines with 15 or more days off (16) Oh and they are ALL 4 DAYS.
WTF?

In IAD there is one line with 14 off, ten lines with 13 off, and the rest are 12 and 11.

 

[zawillif]

I actually saw a 19-leg 4 day in there-with a the last overnight being 9 hours after a 6-leg day! I would be absolutely wasted.

I would fatigue that in half a second if I got it.

 

[goose32]

SH just sent out an email explaining the crap July schedules. Now I feel better...

 

[asayankee]

This is getting ridiculous....I don't see how we can stretch ourselves any further. I know I can't do it.

 

[southern cross 7]

These lines in the 70 seat are truly the worst pieces of swamp feces I have ever seen. Who is the inept idiot that put these pairings together? I'm thankful to have a job but this isn't worth 38k a year sometimes.

 

[SLUF4]

what a load of BS! How about some upgrades and more pilots...geez!

 

[777forever]

Wait a minute...couple months ago you guys were complaining about unproductive low credit 4 days, and lines credited at MMG. Now the complaint is that there is too much work? Am I missing something?

 

[777forever]

what a load of BS! How about some upgrades and more pilots...geez!

Isn't that what they're doing? 42 recalls?

 

[Abernathy]

Wait a minute...couple months ago you guys were complaining about unproductive low credit 4 days, and lines credited at MMG. Now the complaint is that there is too much work? Am I missing something?

No, the complaint is that there are nothing but 4 day trips. Furthermore, these 4 day trips are apparently all high workload trips instead of a mix of the 3-4 days which would be possible if we were properly staffed. A high amount of workload intense 4 day trips is symptomatic of a poor staffing model.

Put down the kool-aid, junior.

 

[wms]

.......

 

[COOPERVANE]

Send a note to Brad, Charlie, Scott. Probably won't do any good, but will be better than some anonymous message board.

I sent one already.

 

[General Lee]

Worst I've seen in 6 years. Kinda surprised this wasn't a thread already.
Down to just 17 nap lines, the line with most days off is only 16? Only 24 lines with 15 or more days off (16) Oh and they are ALL 4 DAYS.
WTF?

When the FAA finally gets off it's duff those NAP lines will all be history, since the minimum rest behind the door will be 10 hours. You can thank Colgan for that......



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

SH just sent out an email explaining the crap July schedules. Now I feel better...

yeah "max effort" and "full throttle" what an arse he be! Well don't fly fatigued, safety FIRST, get your adequate nutrition breaks etc etc

PUSH PILOT PUSH PILOT PUSH PILOT! You watching Mr FAA man?

 

[Freebrd]

Send a note to Brad, Charlie, Scott. Probably won't do any good, but will be better than some anonymous message board.

I sent one already.

it won't!

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

When the FAA finally gets off it's duff those NAP lines will all be history, since the minimum rest behind the door will be 10 hours. You can thank Colgan for that......



Bye Bye---General Lee

The FAA has been dragging their feet on rest requirement changes for over thirty years. Don't put your money on anything changing anytime soon.Even with Babbit in office,and Colgan or no Colgan!
Too Political!

 

[CaribPilot]

I was going to make a detailed comment....but a re-run of "The Price Is Right" just came on. Brb.

Pretty much.....Uh Ohhhhhhhh Spaghettio's.

 

[PooPooPants]

I'm going to have to call in fatigued after bidding, this is crap!

 

[777forever]

No, the complaint is that there are nothing but 4 day trips. Furthermore, these 4 day trips are apparently all high workload trips instead of a mix of the 3-4 days which would be possible if we were properly staffed. A high amount of workload intense 4 day trips is symptomatic of a poor staffing model.

Put down the kool-aid, junior.

First we're complaining that the lines are a paycut. Now there is plenty of money out there and now we're fatigued. I thinking this is more about not having 3 days than actually being fatigued. I haven't looked at the lines. If they're blocked at 90hrs plus than fatigue maybe a factor.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Go Max effort!!

 

[Abernathy]

i thinking this is more about not having 3 days than actually being fatigued.

Look out, nothing gets by this guy!

I haven't looked at the lines. If they're blocked at 90hrs plus than fatigue maybe a factor.

Maybe, then, look at the lines before you judge everyone as whiners. I'll do the work for you. Straight from SH:
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CRJ700 ATL
Average Block Time Value – 85.24
Average Credit Value – 91.55
Days off range – 12-18

CRJ200 ATL
Average Block Time Value – 79.37
Average Credit Value – 86.18
Days off range – 12-16

CRJ200 IAD
Average Block Time Value – 84.5
Average Credit Value – 91.7
Days off range – 12-16
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Not quite 90hrs block, but that's not the point. Very high block 4 day trips (with no option of 3 days) across the board while continuing to under-staff reserves is indicative of poor staffing. You sit in IAD complaining about not flying enough. Down here, we're flying every day with constant min rest to reduced rest overnights, flying what are essentially naps and being extended after that. Not to mention, the BS TDYs to Dulles at 5AM and involuntarily being put on Call me First (a reason you don't fly much), another contract violation.

I wish I had severe SJS like you so I could enjoy tossing company salad as much as you appear to.

 

[Av8trix616]

Straight from SH:
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CRJ700 ATL
Average Block Time Value – 85.24
Average Credit Value – 91.55
Days off range – 12-18

CRJ200 ATL
Average Block Time Value – 79.37
Average Credit Value – 86.18
Days off range – 12-16

CRJ200 IAD
Average Block Time Value – 84.5
Average Credit Value – 91.7
Days off range – 12-16

These numbers must have included nap lines, which really aren't representative of what the vast majority of our pilots are flying. Here's some numbers without the nap lines skewing things: (all numbers are FO)
I also did not include reserves in day off calculations- their days off are all 11 per month.


Crj ATL FO
Avg block- 87
Avg Credit- 91
Avg days off- 12.21
Avg consecutive days off- 3.68 (one line with only 2 consecutive days off)
Avg duty hours (month)- 156
Avg daily duty- 8.21 hrs

Cr7 ATL FO
Avg Block- 86.74
Avg Credit- 92
Avg days off- 13
Avg consecutive days off- 3.95
Avg duty hours (month)- 140.88
Avg daily duty- 7.36 hrs

Crj IAD FO
Avg Block-81
Avg Credit- 86.87
Avg days off- 12.9
Avg consecutive days off- 3.68
Avg duty hours (month)- 140
Avg daily duty- 7.77 hrs
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25 atl crj fo lines have the ability to pick up a 4 day trip
38 atl cr7 fo lines have the ability to pick up a 4 day trip
6 iad crj fo lines have the ability to pick up a 4 day trip

atl crj fo: 49 lines with greater than 12 days off
atl cr7 fo: 121 lines with greater than 12 days off
iad crj fo: 12 lines with greater than 12 days off
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Looks like ATL CRJ guys are getting the brunt of it; perhaps this accounts for the different perceptions of "omg working my tail off" vs "not working enough."

 

[mkingmei]

just stop picking up open time and things will change. Lets show the company that we are indeed running thin. They won't know until we show them exactly what we/they are/aren't working with.
I don't want to hear about line holders geting extended and blah blah blah...don't pick up the phone and you don't get extended.
Pilots on furlough = no pick up of opentime.
support your pilots and your union.