Family says grounded Navy pilot's record being ignored

[DieselDragRacer]

Oops....


http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/family-says-grounded-pilot-392423.html?imw=Y

 

[FlyinGuy]

They should be grounded. This is not the 60's or 70's where people kinda used the rules a a guideline. They read the rules and were either briefed by a superior or presented their flyover plan to a superior (their fake plan). These guys discussed doing this, agreed to do this, then did it! No sympathy from me....I don't care how good their record was. That does not give you an excuse to "fly like Maverick".

They agreed to throw away their careers that day....and it worked!

 

[xrated]

I think they should be grounded for the simple fact that they did a LAME flyby with the gear down????

 

[keebird]

They claimed they had the wrong altimeter setting....Yeah right.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Did they say that.....if so, now they are liars!


Btw...the altimeter "mistake" for 800 feet is .80.
Approach control-"altimeter is 30.10"
Superior F-18 Pilot- "Copy....29.30"

 

[pilotyip]

Back in the 70's and 80's when anyone with wings could do a PR event, go to an airshow, or do a fly-by, there were accidents, fatalities, botched flyby's and bad PR. So the Navy put controls on these events. I know in my P-3 outfit only certain pilots were allowed to go to airshows, and if flying at the airshow was involved it had to be a IP or Ck airman. They tightened up controls to avoid the bad PR, pretty well know if you screw up you are in big trouble. BTW at an impromptu Airshow at Utapao, Thailand in 1968 the skipper took our P-3 down the runway at 400 Kts at 100', pulled into a near hammer head, shutdown two engines and came the runway at 200' and 150 KTs, into a two engine relite and a full stop landing. The USAF base CO gave him holy hell. Can't do that stuff anymore.

 

[Oh-ryan]

Back in the 70's and 80's when anyone with wings could do a PR event, go to an airshow, or do a fly-by, there were accidents, fatalities, botched flyby's and bad PR. So the Navy put controls on these events. I know in my P-3 outfit only certain pilots were allowed to go to airshows, and if flying at the airshow was involved it had to be a IP or Ck airman. They tightened up controls to avoid the bad PR, pretty well know if you screw up you are in big trouble. BTW at an impromptu Airshow at Utapao, Thailand in 1968 the skipper took our P-3 down the runway at 400 Kts at 100', pulled into a near hammer head, shutdown two engines and came the runway at 200' and 150 KTs, into a two engine relite and a full stop landing. The USAF base CO gave him holy hell. Can't do that stuff anymore.

Come on.... it's a P-3 for heaven's sake. What else are you gonna do for a fly by/airshow? Drop sonobuoys on the crowd?

 

[SIG600]

Did they say that.....if so, now they are liars!


Btw...the altimeter "mistake" for 800 feet is .80.
Approach control-"altimeter is 30.10"
Superior F-18 Pilot- "Copy....29.30"

Wow, you must've been a highley decorated ace being able to glean all that info from such limited resources and then passing judgment. You also must be an expert on the F-18 systems and the difference between baro and radalt selection for your primary reference. You must also know how easy it is for a tactical fighter at 350 kts or more to wander off altitude down low like that, when you're trying to make a TOT, on a point that small.

Actually knowing these guys, deploying with, going to war, and having combat time with these guys I can tell you that they are/were the upmost proffesionals. They made a mistake, fessed up to it immediatley after landing (before anyone even had a chance to compain), and were made an example of.

How 'bout you keep your jackass comments to yourself, purely on the basis of proffesionalism?

 

[ableone]

350kias with the gear down?

Lots of lectures from the F-18 guy who has no idea how subsonic flow is maintained on the type.

 

[FlyinGuy]

SIG,
Cry me a river!!! These dudes went out and decided to break the rules. Don't give me this baro vs radio alt crap. My point is that the article was saying that their families were upset because they were not given special treatment. I don't care if they fessed up.....so what! They still went out and put their careers on the line just to look like studs. They got what they deserved.

Why is my sympathy so limited???? Because I don't want to sit through another memorial service for decorated professionals that went out and decided that they were too good for the rules. These are selfish acts plain and simple!!!

 

[SIG600]

350kias with the gear down?

Lots of lectures from the F-18 guy who has no idea how subsonic flow is maintained on the type.

I'll admit I wrote that without being able to see the video first (I was at work when I wrote that).

I still stand by my statement that these guys were unfairly made an example of, and the community is less of a place without them. The board and everyone else sided with them, and the Admiral decided on his own, and disregarded the advice given by those entrusted to come up with a decision. Apparently you don't trust those individuals anymore than you do the two pilots in question.

 

[ableone]

I'll admit I wrote that without being able to see the video first (I was at work when I wrote that).

I still stand by my statement that these guys were unfairly made an example of, and the community is less of a place without them.

I don't necessarily disagree.

The board and everyone else sided with them, and the Admiral decided on his own, and disregarded the advice given by those entrusted to come up with a decision. Apparently you don't trust those individuals anymore than you do the two pilots in question.

It is telling that you wrote your response without having viewed the video.

Yes the other posters jumped on these guys but you blindly defend any behavior if the pilot is wearing a zoom suit.

 

[nwaf16dude]

I love a good low fly-by as much as anybody, but it's just plain stupid to think you can fly 800 feet below the minimum altitude in full view of about 50,000 cell phone cameras without getting into trouble. To claim you did it "accidentally" only makes it worse. Grounded forever may bit a little harsh, but they have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[michael707767]

They should be grounded for a weanie flyby with the gear hanging.

You play with fire, sometimes you get burned.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

These guys should be lucky to peel potatos after a dangerous stunt like this. Football fans could've been hurt. Fly-bys need to be banned immediately.

 

[Muddauber]

...i still stand by my statement that these guys were unfairly made an example of, and the community is less of a place without them. The board and everyone else sided with them, and the admiral decided on his own, and disregarded the advice given by those entrusted to come up with a decision. Apparently you don't trust those individuals anymore than you do the two pilots in question.

__ +1 __

 

[Dooker]

From now on, they should only let UAV's perform fly-bys.

 

[Redmeat]

Permanent ground assignments. Ouch!

I have a question. Say these guys decide to cut their losses and resign as soon as their commitment to the Navy is satisfied...then pursue a civilian career in aviation.

Is the information on this incident something a potential civilian airline employer would have access to?

To bottom line it...are they screwed future flying job-wise too?

 

[pilotyip]

Permanent ground assignments. Ouch!

I have a question. Say these guys decide to cut their losses and resign as soon as their commitment to the Navy is satisfied...then pursue a civilian career in aviation.

Is the information on this incident something a potential civilian airline employer would have access to?

To bottom line it...are they screwed future flying job-wise too?

should not effect them, there is no way other than the pilot confessing that they did it, for the prospective employer to find out. PIRA does not go into military training. An easy answer that has been heard by many a recruiter is "There was a lack of flying opportunities for me in the Navy" It also depends upon the hiring cycle and I am getting out because I love flying airplanes, with the coming 2012 hiring boom they would be in good shape.

 

[ultrarunner]

I think they should be grounded for the simple fact that they did a LAME flyby with the gear down????

And NO AB's! geez. Get it right!