Buying brand new B-350 - wish list ?

[satpak77]

For the new Proline King Air operators, we are rumored to be buying a factory brand new King Air 350.

Any "wish list" items and "headache" items ? I heard the Quiet Cabin system was problematic and better to just not even get one.

Etc, etc. Thanks

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Yeah, The 350 I'm on has had some issues with the quiet cabin so you can probably skip it. Just do what our boss man does. Bought himself a Bose noise cancelling head set and listens to music. Skip the brake deice system as well. It is hit or miss with the whole turning on/off thing so we never use it. Get a second FMS head and last but certainly not least get the XM satellite WX.

 

[ksu_aviator]

...and an EFB...you'll get spoiled so quick!

 

[ultrarunner]

...and an EFB...you'll get spoiled so quick!

Screw that, get the chart servers! We're talking a proline 21 right? Why get an EFB???

 

[BoilerUP]

Screw that, get the chart servers! We're talking a proline 21 right? Why get an EFB???

Exactly...IFIS is the only way to go on a PL21 plane. That combined with XM weather will spoil you!

 

[LJ45]

...and an EFB...you'll get spoiled so quick!

you must have some Microsoft stock...:laugh: just kidding

 

[SpaceBall 1]

IFIS, XM Weather, but also get an EFB. It's nice to have a back up if you don't want to carry a bunch of charts. What do you do in the middle of nowheresville when the IFIS doesn't want to work.

 

[crudeoilpilot]

Hi's Lo's and entire U.S. equate to 8 Jepp binders, all kept accessible in the baggage comp. IFIS and XM are fantastic, how did we ever do this before? The cabin on its own is actually pretty quiet. Pilots furniture sucks, a 3 hour chair at its best. Its a tight cockpit and Beech should have done a better job on keeping the driver a little more comfortable. Overall its a fantastic machine and a real performer.

 

[NCherches]

I always recommend buying EVERY option unless money is a true issue (in which you probably shouldn't get buying a corporate aircraft).

Having every option will help ensure the most value at Resale or even Making/Breaking a sale...

Just my .02

 

[crudeoilpilot]

??? ( : We got the best seats, the pilot seats are just not that comfy. The plane is loaded and I give it an A+, my butt and back are being the Russian judges in this medal event.

 

[ekuflyer]

IFIS, XM Weather, but also get an EFB. It's nice to have a back up if you don't want to carry a bunch of charts. What do you do in the middle of nowheresville when the IFIS doesn't want to work.

Not only is it nice, it is required to have a back-up, be it paper or another electronic version.

 

[LongBoarder]

If you are going to have in panel charts... and want a back up for that system, rather than a windows based EFB, why not get the new Jepp Chart Viewer... a lot less money and will do what you need.

LB

 

[Tgaug6300]

How about, not buying Factory new and buy one that has about 70 hours on it with all the options you want (in these times I'm sure there is one out there). Then use all that money you save on something else?

 

[Jack Campbell]

I recommend that you get an airplane with REAL JET ENGINES. After all, we all know


PROPS ARE FOR BOATS!


Just kidding! All the best with your NEW AIRPLANE! Its great to see someone buying one!

 

[msw]

New King Air 350??

...... we are rumored to be buying a factory brand new King Air 350.......

I had heard rumors that the US Military (primarily the Air Force?) had locked up acquisition of virtually all new BE-350's coming out of the factory, for the near future. Have you heard this rumor? Anyone else? If so, it might be tough to get a new one.

 

[solpilot]

I heard the same thing...not sure if it's true though. I do know L3 communications offered us 750K more than we paid for ours, which was 2 years old at the time. I think L3 was in a mad dash to fill an order they had promised Uncle Sam. So, we sold the KA for a profit and bought a new CJ3 (in a down market). What are the odds?

 

[Tgaug6300]

I heard the same thing...not sure if it's true though. I do know L3 communications offered us 750K more than we paid for ours, which was 2 years old at the time. I think L3 was in a mad dash to fill an order they had promised Uncle Sam. So, we sold the KA for a profit and bought a new CJ3 (in a down market). What are the odds?

IMHO you got a way better airplane outta the deal! ;-)

 

[Juice316]

350 or 350i?

I would go for the following, more or less in this order:

XM Weather

TCAS II (depending on budget)

Wireless High Speed internet, but not sure if it is available on the one you are getting.

Some of the 350i options are pretty cool, such as heated seats and the aft vanity with sink and running water. Also can't forget the blu-ray and LCD screens.

The charts and fileserver are standard, as is brake de-ice (and wing lockers).

And if you really need the range, go for the ER option!

 

[BushwickBill]

All that stuff seems cool.

However don't you think options like a sink are just going to be problematic?

Even if it doesn't break it is just one more preflight item.

I'd like:

Wing lockers for skis so you dont have to worry about Johnny Law.

TCAS - Don't have it. Wish I did.

XM - Don't have it. I've used it. Nice to see the other side of the CB.

Jeppview on the MFD - nice to see a runway diagram with a little magenta airplane on it. "Oh look monkey there I am."

After that whatever extras you can convince your boss to buy good for you. Maybe it is a form of job security?

I would make sure I could watch surf movies in flight so that EFB does sound pretty cool. Now if I could post on FI and tell everyone what my dream 350 set up would be while flying my dream 350, OH YEAH. Gotta have the net. So I can post my facebook photos of the hotties I was slayin down in CRQ. I would try and throw in a budget for a hero cam so you could make vids of your flights or some night vision goggles. Night vision would be sweet!

 

[BushwickBill]

Seriously I have the entire west Jepps in two binders. Its not that big of a deal.

 

[TimsKeeper]

better deal

The King Air 350 can't do a lot of things the CJ3 can do and the CJ3 can't do a lot of things the King Air 350 can do. I'm sure most of us would rather be bouncing around in the CJ however the 350 is really an amazing machine if it fits your needs.

The mission I flew the 350 on was a royal pain, but the plane itself was a joy to fly. As far as turbo-props go I wouldn't want to be in any other model, period.

As far as options the Proline 21 makes the plane extremely user-friendly compared to the older Proline 2 package. All the other stuff is fluff...nice to have, but you'll be very happy with what's included now.

 

[400A]

IFIS, XM Weather, but also get an EFB. It's nice to have a back up if you don't want to carry a bunch of charts. What do you do in the middle of nowheresville when the IFIS doesn't want to work.

The only timer I had a IFIS issue it was a database fault that would have crashed the EFB also. We keep paper back up on the hawker even though we have dual IFIS. Cheap Insurance. When our database fault occurred both IFIS servers went down. Open the cabinet. Pull the NOS out.. No problem.

 

[SheGaveMeClap]

Not only is it nice, it is required to have a back-up, be it paper or another electronic version.

Part 135, yes. Part 91, no.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Part 135, yes. Part 91, no.

Part 135 yes, part 91...yes....at least my paper work lists it as a requirement.

 

[BoilerUP]

Part 135 yes, part 91...yes....at least my paper work lists it as a requirement.

What kind of paperwork do you have requires a backup?

 

[SheGaveMeClap]

Part 135 yes, part 91...yes....at least my paper work lists it as a requirement.

A backup required in Part 91 operations? Huh?

 

[ultrarunner]

I haven't read the AC in a while, but are aircraft with DUAL chart servers and displays required an additional backup?

 

[ekuflyer]

Not for Part 91

I haven't read the AC in a while, but are aircraft with DUAL chart servers and displays required an additional backup?

Not for Part 91, the second server is the back-up

 

[ekuflyer]

Part 135, yes. Part 91, no.

I take back the word required and insert the following from AC 91-78

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6. REMOVAL OF PAPER FROM THE COCKPIT FOR OPERATIONS UNDER PART 91.
a.​

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]EFBs/ECDs can be used during all phases of flight operations in lieu of paper reference material when the information displayed meets the following criteria: ​

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(1)​

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]The components or systems onboard the aircraft which display precomposed or interactive information are the functional equivalent of the paper reference material. ​

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(2)​

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]The interactive or precomposed information being used for navigation or performance planning is current, up-to-date, and valid. ​

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NOTE: Supporting reference material such as legends, glossaries, abbreviations, and other information is available to the pilot but is not required in the cockpit during operation.
b.​

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]The in-flight use of an EFB/ECD in lieu of paper reference material is the decision of the aircraft operator and the pilot in command. Any Type A or Type B EFB application, as defined in AC 120-76A may be substituted for the paper equivalent. It requires no formal operational approval as long as the guidelines of this AC are followed. ​

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c. ​

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]It is suggested that a secondary or back up source of aeronautical information necessary for the flight be available to the pilot in the aircraft. The secondary or backup information may be either traditional paper-based material or displayed electronically. ​

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[LJ45]

suggested and required, big difference!