Roof Collapses at Dulles Jet Center

[BN2A]

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/Roof-Collapses-at-Dulles-Jet-Center-83712777.html

 

[clydefastly]

I guess this is one instance where de-icing will cost less than the hangar space.

 

[LegacyDriver]

I guess this is one instance where de-icing will cost less than the hangar space.

Hahahahahahahaha! Ouch.

 

[ultrarunner]

There's gonna be some carpet dancing in the coming weeks as the design-loads are reviewed and cross-referenced with what the engineers and architects specified!

 

[BoilerUP]

There's gonna be some carpet dancing in the coming weeks as the design-loads are reviewed and cross-referenced with what the engineers and architects specified!

Dulles Jet Center is an EagleSpan Aviation project, and each of its hangars is 40,000 sq ft.

Snow of average density weighs per 15lb/cubic foot; wet snow like was associated with this storm typically weighs more than that (variable on moisture content). 2006 Virginia Code requires a ground snow load of 25lb/sq ft and 18" of average snow would have been around 22.5 lb/sq ft. Given how wet this snow was and the total accumulation at IAD (32 inches!)...its entirely possible that these hangars were properly engineered & built to code, but with little "slack load" to spare this storm simply exceeded its limits.

But yeah, you can bet the Landow family & EagleSpan management/legal have been "discussions"...

 

[hawk996]

Bad News for a Great Operation. Dulles Jet Center treated us great, and I hope they get back up and running?

From what I was told, 20+ planes damaged, some crushed. Not something this industry needed. If some companies don't replace their planes it will mean more guys being put on the street.

 

[DieselDragRacer]

Bad News for a Great Operation. Dulles Jet Center treated us great, and I hope they get back up and running?

From what I was told, 20+ planes damaged, some crushed. Not something this industry needed. If some companies don't replace their planes it will mean more guys being put on the street.

Unfortunately this could be a great opportunity for some companies to get out from under an aircraft in a massive recession via an insurance claim.

A company I know lost a jet in a hangar due to a tornado and the insurance claim took forever because they wanted it totalled and the insurance company wanted it fixed. It was finally totaled and they upgraded big time.

 

[Cat3C]

Dulles Jet Center is an EagleSpan Aviation project, and each of its hangars is 40,000 sq ft.

Snow of average density weighs per 15lb/cubic foot; wet snow like was associated with this storm typically weighs more than that (variable on moisture content). 2006 Virginia Code requires a ground snow load of 25lb/sq ft and 18" of average snow would have been around 22.5 lb/sq ft. Given how wet this snow was and the total accumulation at IAD (32 inches!)...its entirely possible that these hangars were properly engineered & built to code, but with little "slack load" to spare this storm simply exceeded its limits.

But yeah, you can bet the Landow family & EagleSpan management/legal have been "discussions"...

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[pair_of_pratts]

From what I was told, 20+ planes damaged, some crushed.

Just 4 planes, although it was 3 Globals and a G5. Pictures from another website, courtesy of 'confidential' (Flight7).

Well three Global Express's including Eastman Kodaks, and a Gulfstream V of Hilton Hotels involved in hangar collapse at Dulles Jet Center over the weekend. Aircraft are Global Express XRS N89MX, Global Express N400GX and N620K, and Gulfstream V N585JC.

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[jet2work]

Blame Al Gore

Dulles Jet Center is an EagleSpan Aviation project, and each of its hangars is 40,000 sq ft.

Snow of average density weighs per 15lb/cubic foot; wet snow like was associated with this storm typically weighs more than that (variable on moisture content). 2006 Virginia Code requires a ground snow load of 25lb/sq ft and 18" of average snow would have been around 22.5 lb/sq ft. Given how wet this snow was and the total accumulation at IAD (32 inches!)...its entirely possible that these hangars were properly engineered & built to code, but with little "slack load" to spare this storm simply exceeded its limits.

But yeah, you can bet the Landow family & EagleSpan management/legal have been "discussions"...

It is clear to me that Al Gore is to blame for this tragedy. Virginia code was updated in 2006. This is the same year that Al Gore's movie "An Inconvenient Truth" was released. It seems clear to me that after seeing the movie, the powers that be in Virginia relaxed their standards for snow loading after coming to the logical conclusion that it was unlikely to ever snow in Virginia again.

If you are looking for somewhere to lay the blame for this incident (lawyers are you listening) then obviously the blame lies with Al Gore.

 

[LJ45]

It is clear to me that Al Gore is to blame for this tragedy. Virginia code was updated in 2006. This is the same year that Al Gore's movie "An Inconvenient Truth" was released. It seems clear to me that after seeing the movie, the powers that be in Virginia relaxed their standards for snow loading after coming to the logical conclusion that it was unlikely to ever snow in Virginia again.

If you are looking for somewhere to lay the blame for this incident (lawyers are you listening) then obviously the blame lies with Al Gore.

just what I was thinking

 

[DieselDragRacer]

Just 4 planes, although it was 3 Globals and a G5. Pictures from another website, courtesy of 'confidential' (Flight7).
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Can you imagine if all those planes were insured through the same insurer? Ouch!

 

[jet2work]

Raawt Roohh

Can you imagine if all those planes were insured through the same insurer? Ouch!

Well I would think that ultimately each owners insurance company would subrogate the claim in which case those airplanes are insured through the same insurance company....Dulles Jet Center's.

Lets see... 4 planes each with a replacement cost of around $50 Million new. You can bet that you are gonna hear lawyers throw around the phrase "Act of God" for the first time in their life.

I cried when I saw the Gulfstream doing a wheelie, but my spirits were picked up when I realized that Bombardier will now have enough spares to support the Global fleet.:nuts:

The good news for the Global operators is that there has been no better time to buy a Gulfstream.

The real sad news is that KIAD really needs some competition on the field. I had not used Dulles Jet Center because you had to get your fuel from Signature (WTF?). I thought that the fueling restriction was about to end and they could pump their own fuel soon. Now this happens. Signature had crazy high prices (newsflash - I know), and Landmark's service is hit and miss (mostly miss). I was looking forward to an FBO who could put it all together. Hopefully everyone involved (the aircraft owners, the crews, and the FBO) emerges from this fiasco intact.

 

[ultrarunner]

The really sad part is that these birds are so incredibly expensive, even at current values, that they won't be totaled. So these birds will be worth even LESS on the market when they come up for sale. I would suspect some of those airframes are leased, so at least those operators will simply be able to walk away from them when the term expires.

 

[DieselDragRacer]

The really sad part is that these birds are so incredibly expensive, even at current values, that they won't be totaled. So these birds will be worth even LESS on the market when they come up for sale. I would suspect some of those airframes are leased, so at least those operators will simply be able to walk away from them when the term expires.

If i recall, the jet I was referring to in that tornado was worth ~$2mil at the time and if fixed depreciation/damage history would have been a $500k hit which is why the owner wanted to walk away.

I can't imagine what depreciation would be on these big birds.

 

[ultrarunner]

Likely not enough to total them...depending up on repair costs.

 

[VGerect]

Those aircraft are totaled, it's not just the tail damage but the wingbox and main gear area. If you look at the photo showing the MLG of the GLEX you can see how much weight is on the mains. I would venture a guess that all that weight is MUCH more than a hard landing....

Does anyone remember the GV hard landing at PBI several years ago ? They totaled that aircraft with wing/gear damage.

Like someone else said, there will be lots of spares on Bombardier shelves after this.

 

[ultrarunner]

Didn't even think of teh Vgerect, but yep, I suppose with significant wing box damage, they're goner. Who'd want to fly in them again anyway, and no one would buy them. I see your point on the spares. Gotta make the GLEX folks pumped to have some parts finally.

 

[JJET44]

The real sad news is that KIAD really needs some competition on the field. I had not used Dulles Jet Center because you had to get your fuel from Signature (WTF?). I thought that the fueling restriction was about to end and they could pump their own fuel soon. Now this happens. Signature had crazy high prices (newsflash - I know), and Landmark's service is hit and miss (mostly miss). I was looking forward to an FBO who could put it all together. Hopefully everyone involved (the aircraft owners, the crews, and the FBO) emerges from this fiasco intact.

I assuming from your post that the operation is shut down including the FBO? If so, it IS sad news. We're in IAD at least twice a month and we recently changed to Dulles Jet from Landmark for the same reasons you posted. I'd hate to have to go back to Landmark and their stupid fake smirks!!!

 

[pair_of_pratts]

Must correct my earlier post. hawk996 was correct. It was 20+ planes damaged. I didn't realize that both hangars collapsed. Here are some photos of the damage. Dulles Jet Center damage from the air