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I like how they were "Texans."
They could have been drag queens from SFO.
"Oh goody, they're finally going to close the door on that American Exceptionalism carap"
"Ohh, and I bet they hate Sarah Palin as much as I do. But I do love her shoes."
"Yes! Her Manolos are FIERCE!"
 
So what does that say about you, making an assumption based on a stereotype? I'd argue that you're just as ignorant as the stereotype you're trying to rag.


Cute. Those two made up stories are laughable... If there was any truth to this, Fixed news would be playing the story every 22 seconds... But go ahead and tell me why this wasn't a made up fear scam.
 
Just how many people were on that 717 anyway? Because according to Rear Admiral Corps Commander/Doctor/Chaplain Keith "I have an invisible friend & have been practicing yelling 'Let's Roll' every day for 8 years now" Robinson's article:

<< After 67 officials exited the door, suddenly it flew open and 1215 people from the flight hurried off the plane. >>

67 officials and 1215 passengers?

(I'm confused.... originally it was one 717 but now it's 2 A-380's?)

Here's a cut and paste from the email

After 6[FONT=Calibri,Calibri][FONT=Calibri,Calibri][/FONT][/FONT]7 officials exited the door, suddenly it flew open and 12[FONT=Calibri,Calibri][FONT=Calibri,Calibri][/FONT][/FONT]15 people from the flight hurried off the plane
 
http://www.ajc.com/business/airtran-refutes-flight-297-226517.html

AirTran refutes Flight 297 ‘urban legend'
By Marcus K. Garner

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
AirTran Friday issued a statement refuting an e-mail that says a Nov. 17 Atlanta flight fell victim to a rehearsal for a jihadist attack.
Airline officials published the account on "Inside AirTran," an internal Web-based newsletter the AJC acquired access to, to debunk what they called an "urban legend" circulating online that describes a cadre of so-called terrorists whose attempt at intimidating passengers of Flight 297 was thwarted by a lone passenger.
"We bring this to your attention in order to dispel myths that are beginning to make the rounds in chat rooms, blogs and conspiracy theorists' Web sites," the memo said.
Flight 297, from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, was bound for Houston when a flight attendant asked a man to put away a cell phone and camera.
When he did not, the plane taxied back to the gate, and the passenger -- who didn't speak English -- and a companion were asked to leave the plane, which they did without incident, the airline reported.
When it was determined the problem was caused by a language barrier, AirTran and TSA officials allowed the man, and 12 others traveling with him to re-plane, and the flight left for Houston.
A man named A. Gene Hackemack began circulating an e-mail from his friend Tedd Petruna, who claimed to have been on the flight and told a different story.
“I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said ‘you will go sit down or you will be thrown from this plane,’” Petruna wrote in his e-mail.
AirTran officials could not confirm to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution whether Petruna was actually on the flight, citing policy against giving out passenger information.
But in the "Inside AirTran" article, they refute Petruna's story point-by-point.
"There were no reports of any passenger standing up in any threatening manner," the AirTran report reads. "At NO time was there any physical altercation between passengers.
"Upon returning to the gate, the individual on the phone were asked to de-plane and did so in full compliance of crew member's instructions."
Petruna claimed that 11 Muslim men dressed in "full attire" and that the men began calling one another, and shouting in a foreign language from different areas of the plane before the plane stopped on the ground.
AirTran said: "The individuals in this party proceeded to their seats throughout the aircraft and were dressed like any other passenger."
Further, the airline reports: "There have been no reports of any individual phoning any other individual on the flight ... there are no reports of screaming or shouting insults to our crew members."
Petruna has declined over several days to respond to repeated email and phone attempts by the AJC to talk to him.
Return to AJC.com for more information.
 
They could have been drag queens from SFO.
"Oh goody, they're finally going to close the door on that American Exceptionalism carap"
"Ohh, and I bet they hate Sarah Palin as much as I do. But I do love her shoes."
"Yes! Her Manolos are FIERCE!"

I would trust a drag queen from SFO over a texan any day.
 
http://www.ajc.com/business/airtran-refutes-flight-297-226517.html

AirTran refutes Flight 297 ‘urban legend'
By Marcus K. Garner

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
AirTran Friday issued a statement refuting an e-mail that says a Nov. 17 Atlanta flight fell victim to a rehearsal for a jihadist attack.
Airline officials published the account on "Inside AirTran," an internal Web-based newsletter the AJC acquired access to, to debunk what they called an "urban legend" circulating online that describes a cadre of so-called terrorists whose attempt at intimidating passengers of Flight 297 was thwarted by a lone passenger.
"We bring this to your attention in order to dispel myths that are beginning to make the rounds in chat rooms, blogs and conspiracy theorists' Web sites," the memo said.
Flight 297, from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, was bound for Houston when a flight attendant asked a man to put away a cell phone and camera.
When he did not, the plane taxied back to the gate, and the passenger -- who didn't speak English -- and a companion were asked to leave the plane, which they did without incident, the airline reported.
When it was determined the problem was caused by a language barrier, AirTran and TSA officials allowed the man, and 12 others traveling with him to re-plane, and the flight left for Houston.
A man named A. Gene Hackemack began circulating an e-mail from his friend Tedd Petruna, who claimed to have been on the flight and told a different story.
“I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said ‘you will go sit down or you will be thrown from this plane,’” Petruna wrote in his e-mail.
AirTran officials could not confirm to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution whether Petruna was actually on the flight, citing policy against giving out passenger information.
But in the "Inside AirTran" article, they refute Petruna's story point-by-point.
"There were no reports of any passenger standing up in any threatening manner," the AirTran report reads. "At NO time was there any physical altercation between passengers.
"Upon returning to the gate, the individual on the phone were asked to de-plane and did so in full compliance of crew member's instructions."
Petruna claimed that 11 Muslim men dressed in "full attire" and that the men began calling one another, and shouting in a foreign language from different areas of the plane before the plane stopped on the ground.
AirTran said: "The individuals in this party proceeded to their seats throughout the aircraft and were dressed like any other passenger."
Further, the airline reports: "There have been no reports of any individual phoning any other individual on the flight ... there are no reports of screaming or shouting insults to our crew members."
Petruna has declined over several days to respond to repeated email and phone attempts by the AJC to talk to him.
Return to AJC.com for more information.

So you are telling me that Fox News was innacurate in their reporting?
 
The latest update is that the guy wasnt even on the plane!!

http://www.ajc.com/business/airtran-flight-297-man-226517.html

AirTran Flight 297: Man who wrote e-mail not on plane, says airline
By Alexis Stevens

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
It's a little easier to understand why a man who claimed to have thwarted a potential terrorist attack on a plane has not answered repeated requests to tell his story.
He was not on the plane, according to AirTran Airways.
"After conducting additional research into this situation, we have verified, according to flight manifests (legally binding documents) that the individual that allegedly created a first-hand account of events on-board AirTran Airways Flight 297, a Theodore Petruna, was never actually on-board the flight," AirTran said in a statement, which the AJC was the first to obtain.
An e-mail from a Tedd Petruna, which he told the AJC via a Facebook message Friday was intended only for friends and family, made the rounds online this week after one of those friends apparently forwarded it to others. In a matter of days, Petruna's account appeared in chat rooms, blogs and conspiracy theorists' Web sites.
The AJC was forwarded the e-mail dozens of times this week, as readers saw Petruna's tale and noticed conflicting information between it and earlier news reports of the flight delay Nov. 17.
Many of those who forwarded the message to the AJC added accusatory comments suggesting the paper was participating in a politically correct cover-up. The AJC made several attempts to speak to Petruna about the incident. He has declined throughout the week to respond to repeated e-mail and phone attempts by the AJC to talk to him.
Additionally, interviews between the AJC and people on the plane, airline officials and federal agencies did not corroborate his story of what occurred on the flight.
According to AirTran, shortly after 4:40 p.m. on Nov. 17, Flight 297 bound for Houston taxied toward the runway of Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport. But before the Boeing 717 made it to the runway, the pilot made the decision to return the plane to the gate. A flight attendant asked a male passenger twice to put away a cell phone or camera.
At the gate, the passenger -- who didn't speak English -- and a companion were asked to leave the plane, which they did without incident, the airline reported.
When it was determined the problem was caused by a language barrier, AirTran and TSA officials allowed the man, and 12 others traveling with him to re-board, and the flight left for Houston a little more than two hours later. Later, officials said the entire incident was the result of a miscommunication.
Nancy Deveikis was seated in seat 29A aboard Flight 297, directly behind an unidentified man who she believes spoke Spanish. Deveikis said the man was looking at pictures on a camera, and did not understand a flight attendant's requests to turn the device off.
Petruna's account of the flight was drastically different. It was forwarded to others by a man named A. Gene Hackemack, who vouched for him as a former NASA colleague. Petruna claimed he witnessed a incident involving Middle Eastern passengers on the flight, and attempted to stop the incident from escalating.
"I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said ‘you will go sit down or you will be thrown from this plane,' " Petruna wrote. Continuing, Petruna said 11 men dressed in "full attire" got on the plane together.
Hackemack, when reached by telephone earlier this week at his Texas home, stood by the story, and gave the AJC a home phone number for Petruna.
"Thank God for people like Tedd Petruna," wrote Hackemack in the e-mail he forwarded.
But there was no way Petruna could have seen what he described on Flight 297, AirTran said in a statement. Petruna departed from Akron-Canton, Ohio, on AirTran Flight 205 on Nov. 17, officials said. He was supposed to connect to Flight 297 to head home to Houston, but he missed his first flight out of Ohio. And therefore, he missed the connecting flight.
"Flight 297, the flight which Mr. Patruna allegedly wrote a first-hand account of, originally pushed back from its gate in Atlanta at 4:40 p.m. EST, a full 26 minutes before flight 205 arrived at the gate in Atlanta making this flight connection impossible," according to AirTran.
Neither Petruna nor Hackemack responded to requests from the AJC to speak to them Friday evening.
 
Cute. Those two made up stories are laughable... If there was any truth to this, Fixed news would be playing the story every 22 seconds... But go ahead and tell me why this wasn't a made up fear scam.

This one may be made up, but don't assume the news covers everything. Remember the Northwest flight with the Turkish "musicians" on board? That didn't get much press either.....I've talked to the the FAMS in ACY about that.....ALL of them said "Dry Run, no doubt about it." They are out there. Careful.
 
This is at the end of the PDF file with the Chaplain's account of what happened:

Senior Chaplain Dr. Keith A. Robinson is the Corps Commander for the Houston Regional Community Chaplain’s Corps in Houston, Texas. He can be reached by email at [email protected] ; by phone at 713‐826‐3220; and by snail mail at 2042 Baker Trail, Houston, Texas 77094.

This is a totally unrelated document that backs up his name, phone number etc. :

http://www.ifoc.org/pdf/9/CT1130houTX09.pdf


The man is who he says he is, and if a fabricated statement was running around the media/internet with his name on it don't you think he would do something about it?

Now, if you're calling the Chaplain a liar...that's another story. But I would tend to believe two very similar accounts of a situation given by by two different people who don't ( apparently ) know each other.


YKMKR

Anyone claiming moral fortitude due to their religious position make me more skeptical and not less.

Scott
 
The chaplain was simply not on the airplane at the time of the incident, either. All his statements about the incident are necessarily, second or third-hand.

Here is my thought. If there were crazed lunatics behaving in an uncontrolled manner, we would be reading at least ONE other eye-witness account, from one of the many dozen other pax aboard, and likely from several different media sources.

However, we have not.
 
AirTran ‘hero' wasn't on plane, airline says




By Alexis Stevens

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
10:14 p.m. Saturday, December 5, 2009
It's a little easier to understand why a Houston man who claimed to have thwarted a potential terrorist attack on a flight leaving Atlanta has not answered repeated requests to tell his story.
He was not on the plane, AirTran Airways says.
"After conducting additional research into this situation, we have verified, according to flight manifests [legally binding documents] that the individual that allegedly created a first-hand account of events on-board AirTran Airways Flight 297, a Theodore Petruna, was never actually on-board the flight," AirTran said in a statement, which the The Atlanta Journal-Constitution was the first to obtain.
An e-mail from a Tedd Petruna, in which he told the AJC via a Facebook message Friday was intended only for friends and family, made the rounds online this week after a friend apparently forwarded it to others. In a matter of days, Petruna's account appeared in chat rooms and blogs and on conspiracy theorists' Web sites.
The AJC was forwarded the e-mail dozens of times this week, as readers saw Petruna's tale and noticed conflicting information between it and earlier news reports of the flight delay Nov. 17. Some readers simply asked the AJC to further investigate the matter.
But others who forwarded the message accused the AJC of participating in a politically correct cover-up.
The intriguing story made for intense fodder among bloggers.
Petruna's story appeared in a blog on the Web site for The Project 9.12, a group started by Fox News commentator Glenn Beck. A Canadian news site picked up the story. Dallas Morning News airline columnist Terry Maxon made it the subject of his blog for a second time this week on Friday. And snopes.com, a Web site that sniffs out rumors to decipher between fact and fiction, followed the story.
In its continued investigation into the incident, the AJC made several attempts to speak to Petruna about the incident. He has declined throughout the week to respond to repeated e-mail and phone attempts by the AJC to talk to him. That last request was made Saturday.
Additionally, AJC interviews with people on the plane, airline officials and federal agencies did not corroborate his story.
According to AirTran, shortly after 4:40 p.m. on Nov. 17, Flight 297 bound for Houston taxied toward the runway of Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport. But before the Boeing 717 made it to the runway, the pilot decided to return the plane to the gate. A flight attendant had apparently asked a male passenger twice to put away a cellphone or camera, but the man had not done so. The flight attendant then took the device from the man.
At the gate, the passenger -- who didn't speak English -- and a companion were asked to leave the plane, which they did without incident, the airline reported.
When it was determined the problem was caused by a language barrier, AirTran and Transportation Security Administration officials allowed the man, and 12 others traveling with him, to reboard, and the flight left for Houston a little more than two hours later. Later, officials said the entire incident was the result of a miscommunication.
Nancy Deveikis was seated directly behind the unidentified man on the flight. She believes he spoke Spanish. Deveikis said the man was looking at pictures on a camera and did not understand the flight attendant's requests to turn the device off.
Petruna's account was drastically different. It was forwarded to others by A. Gene Hackemack, who vouched for him as a former NASA colleague. Petruna claimed he witnessed an incident involving Middle Eastern passengers on the flight and attempted to stop the incident from escalating.
"I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said ‘you will go sit down or you will be thrown from this plane,' " Petruna wrote. Continuing, Petruna said 11 men dressed in "full attire" speaking Arabic got on the plane together.
Hackemack, when reached by telephone earlier this week at his Texas home, stood by the story and gave the AJC a home phone number for Petruna. Hackemack did not respond to a request for comment Friday by the AJC.
"Thank God for people like Tedd Petruna," wrote Hackemack wrote in the e-mail he forwarded.
Keith Robinson didn't make it to the gate in time to board Flight 297 for its initial attempt to depart. Robinson, a Texas chaplain, said he watched as upset crew members and passengers poured back into the terminal after the incident on the plane.
"You could tell something was going on," Robinson told the AJC. Robinson said a passenger getting off the plane asked him whether he intended to get on the plane and fly to Houston.
"I'm a chaplain, that's where I'm supposed to be," Robinson said he told the man.
Robinson said the flight to Houston was a quiet one, giving him time to write down his account of what he had seen.
"The feeling that I have from what I observed is there was intentional intimidation," Robinson said. "It was almost an ethnic bullying situation."
Robinson recounted what he witnessed for reporters at KHOU-TV in Houston on Thursday. Petruna, however, told the station that he could not appear on camera.
In an e-mail to the AJC Saturday evening, Robinson said whether or not Petruna was on the flight, the incident aboard the plane caused fear among the flight's crew members.
A replacement flight crew was brought on board, but that is not uncommon, AirTran said. A delay such as this one could quickly affect scheduling for later flights, according to AirTran spokesman Christopher White.
"We have reserve crews ready to jump in at a moments notice," White said late Saturday.
Friday afternoon, AirTran responded to Petruna's allegations in a point-by-point response to his e-mail, posted on the airline's internal Web site and made available to the media.
"There are no reports of any passenger standing up in a threatening manner," according to the AirTran statement. "At no time was there any physical altercation between passengers."
Although AirTran previously had declined to release the flight manifest, that changed Friday evening. In addition to discounting Petruna's story, the airline responded to the amount of attention it believed the circulated e-mail was gaining, White said.
There was no way Petruna could have seen what he described on Flight 297, AirTran said in a statement. Petruna departed from Akron-Canton, Ohio, on AirTran Flight 205 on Nov. 17, officials said. He was supposed to connect to Flight 297 for Houston, but he missed his first flight out of Ohio. And therefore, he missed the connecting flight.
AirTran said Flight 297 first left its gate at 4:40 p.m., "a full 26 minutes before Flight 205 arrived at the gate in Atlanta, making this flight connection impossible."



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