US Airways Pilot got his job back

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The full report is available to any FFDO, it does state his admittance to not following several FFDO procedures as well as his fellow crew member verifying the lack of professionalism and decorum in his handling of the firearm. Also a complete disregard of FAR of trying to stow the gun on approach. I would say he is very lucky to even have an ATP still, much less his job. I will never understand how these unions can claim credibility when they save the jobs of the lowest common denominator.

The arbitrator saved the job.


If you were found gulity of a felony would you seek council to lesson the sentence or would you tell the judge.. give me the full sentencing the law allows?

Finally, you could appreciate the LCD... if they go then you are next. Consider them a buffer zone and job security.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Sorry Rez I disagree with you. There are some people that should not get their jobs back. Flawed holster??? Yea right. You gotta love lawyers. The dude did not follow procedures and he should be greeting at Wal Mart instead of flying airplanes!!!

 

[cactusboy53]

Yeah an accidental discharge is the same as taking out the crash ax and swinging it around the cockpit. moron

Eagle;

While you might term this an "accidental discharge", the FACT remains that had the person in question followed the SOP's (really not that tough) this event would NEVER have happened.

Will he be allowed to participate in the program again? I would say not. Should he have lost his job? That's tough to say. He allegedly unnecessarily endangered a transport category aircraft full of passengers with his alleged deviation from SOP's. I know which way I would vote, but my vote does not count.

Good for USAPA......the "union that represents over 5000 US Airways pilots" (while simultaneously suing them unnecessarily & losing most all other legal battles in federal court).

It's time to put this sucker to bed. We are ONE carrier. We are operating on ONE certificate. The legal battles are drawing to a close. If you are a lurker and tired of this nonsense, please join the soon-to-be not so silent majority. We can unseat the leadership and share USAPA leadership. We can steer this ship to a new contract with better wages and working conditions.

If you think that the appeal is a sure thing, if you think the snap back is a done deal, if you think the airline will split and the east flying will merge with American Airlines (or some other carrier)....so you can really educate them on how to merge a pilot seniortiy list.....then the above message IS DEFINITELY NOT FOR YOU.

Ready, FIRE!, Aim.......

 

[Flyin2low]

Do you know all the facts of the case? No comment on the flawed holster?

I know that most coworkers were glad to see him leave

 

[boeingdriver213]

Judging from your aircraft flown, How in the world do you know that most of his co- workers were glad to seem him go? It doesn't appear that you ever flew there. I flew with this man pilot several times in my carreer there and can tell you from experience that he was en excellent pilot and all around good guy.

 

[PCL_128]

I find it disgusting that so many pilots wish he wouldn't have gotten his job back. So much for brotherhood.

 

[waveflyer]

Find it disgusting then- due process is due process- maybe this guy deserved to keep his job- it's just tiring to see my dues go to defending guys that ought to have been fired long ago- it sucks to be really good at your job and see te opportunities go to pilots that suck and are a drain of resources, company and union. It is what it is? They pay for representation- doesn't mean I have to always like it.
All I'm saying is I'm glad we're protected in a safety sensitive job- but I wish it were a tad bit easier to let go of the dead weight

 

[get2flyin]

Find it disgusting then- due process is due process- maybe this guy deserved to keep his job- it's just tiring to see my dues go to defending guys that ought to have been fired long ago- it sucks to be really good at your job and see te opportunities go to pilots that suck and are a drain of resources, company and union. It is what it is? They pay for representation- doesn't mean I have to always like it.
All I'm saying is I'm glad we're protected in a safety sensitive job- but I wish it were a tad bit easier to let go of the dead weight

Agreed.

90% of my union's time is wasted defending the actions of 10% of the population that probably should be fired anyway.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Find it disgusting then- due process is due process- maybe this guy deserved to keep his job- it's just tiring to see my dues go to defending guys that ought to have been fired long ago- it sucks to be really good at your job and see te opportunities go to pilots that suck and are a drain of resources, company and union. It is what it is? They pay for representation- doesn't mean I have to always like it.
All I'm saying is I'm glad we're protected in a safety sensitive job- but I wish it were a tad bit easier to let go of the dead weight

Disapointing to read your thoughts on this waveflyer....

many times pilots are fired appropriately and the union simply ensures the process is IAW the contract... The last think you want is precedent set on company favored interpretation...

The fact is, this guy flies a jet well with a gun. I bet he will continue to do so...

In addition, we should all accept the process, especially since we don't have all the facts. Populist thought as a system to determine whether our fellow pilots should feed their familiy or not is not a path we want to take...


I think it is safe to say that an accidental discharge is reasonable in terms of statistics. I was going to happen.

Agreed.

90% of my union's time is wasted defending the actions of 10% of the population that probably should be fired anyway.

I wouldn't say 90%..... but as long as the company is spending its time going after the 10% club.... they aren't going after you.....

 

[Donald]

All he had to do was follow the procedure and this would have NEVER happened. Would you forgive a guy who took the crash ax out of the holster, swung it, and then said the fact he chopped a whole in the side of the airplane was an accident? If this guy blows off procedure with his firearm inside a flightdeck, what other procedure has he decided to ignore/re-write. He should be gone.

So you are saying you follow every procedure exactly as written. I have never met anyone that does. I agree he screwed up, and he has been punished. He lost his deputation forever, and spent 18 months fighting to get his job back. Hopefully if you are ever caught screwing up, you get someone like yourself to be your judge.

 

[get2flyin]

So you are saying you follow every procedure exactly as written. I have never met anyone that does. I agree he screwed up, and he has been punished. He lost his deputation forever, and spent 18 months fighting to get his job back. Hopefully if you are ever caught screwing up, you get someone like yourself to be your judge.

I don't intentionally violate safety procedures. I don't do things that I couldn't look my boss in the eye and tell him about. I may not be proud of everything I've done, but I could explain why I did it and wouldn't fear for my job.

 

[DCAA320]

Bs

This is BU!!$hit, Plaxico gets 2 years and this guy gets his job back. He didn't take the the responsibility of having a gun seriously.

 

[Bluejob]

This is BU!!$hit, Plaxico gets 2 years and this guy gets his job back. He didn't take the the responsibility of having a gun seriously.

Plaxico deserved more time. His carriage was illegal.

 

[JAFI]

I find it disgusting that so many pilots wish he wouldn't have gotten his job back. So much for brotherhood.

Part of being a PIC is excising sound judgment. It is a trust issue with the American public, his crew, and passengers. Here he was not following SOP and shot a hole in the aircraft. What part of sound judgment was that? He made a mistake or decided he knew better than the procedures. At some point where is Professional Ethics? Should he be judged by a review of his peers not just have the union "get" his job back. I would question his mental competency to hold the position.

 

[AC560]

I think it is safe to say that an accidental discharge is reasonable in terms of statistics. I was going to happen.

Though it is fairly clear from all sources this wasn't an accidental discharge but a discharge due to negligence.