Jetblue pay increase?

[poor2thecore]

Not to mention that when the bid divisors drop in sept and october my bids were right around 80hrs with 19 days off.. I can add 12-14 hr 2 day and be at 95 for the month and still have 17 off

Where are you seniority wise? Base, equip, seat, etc, etc?

 

[FBN0223]

That's good news on the new rates. It still boggles my mind that Republic guys are making almost half that to fly the same equipment. What a world we live in.

That's what "shiny new jet syndrome" does to pay rates. For this, Republic is the industry poster child. Hopefully, they are permanently fenced out of Frontier's A320s.

 

[GuinessGuy]

I get what ClickClick gets but 14-16 days off. Also, same as him, sacrificing 1 - 2 days (if needed) off during peak months to get low to middle 90's. I'm bidding 60% JFK bus co-pilot.

 

[OpenClimb]

At Frontier's concessionary (10%) rates, the 6th year Airbus FO pay at Frontier is ~$20/hr lower than Jet Blue's new rate. Even at full book rates, Frontier's 6th year FO pay is ~$10/hr lower. We gradually work our way back to "book" rates starting in January 2011 with full book rates as of January 2012.

As a point of comparison, the 6 year FO pay as of February 2012 will be $85.93/hour. Approximately the same as a 6 year E190 FO at Jet Blue.

Nicely done, gentlemen.

 

[Splert]

If any of the leg is scheduled to touch 1am to 5am then the override is paid for the entire leg.

We flying pairing made up of legs.

JFK to the islands in the middle of night is covered by the night rig.

But the return leg of the red-eye island turn pairing will not be covered by the over ride if the return leg of the pairing is scheduled to operate after 5:00 am base time.

 

[Smarta$$]

Not JB bashing, just a question, without a union, what is to stop management from contracting a bunch of RJ lift or reducing those new pay rates when ever they feel like it?

I Do like the new rates and rigs.

 

[turbodog]

Not JB bashing, just a question, without a union, what is to stop management from contracting a bunch of RJ lift or reducing those new pay rates when ever they feel like it?

I Do like the new rates and rigs.

Most of us had that very thing happen at the last "union" airline we worked for. I am not sure your argument is valid. It seems that over the last 10 years that is how airlines with or without unions have played the game. Just for the record I am not anti union. I Just call it how I see it.

 

[banger]

Well the rates are a signed contract so they just can't change them. (not saying they can't get some lawyer/judge to do that). The RJ question is a good one, they probably can do that if they like. Back in 2004 they did just that in LGB because we were selling more tickets to OAK than we had seats for so they temporarily contracted with a company to lift some of our Pax. They took lots of heat from these Pax because they had thought they were getting the "jb experience" with TV's and all but ended up just getting an RJ seat. Company vowed never to do that again. But we all know about airline promises.

 

[IB6 UB9]

Not JB bashing, just a question, without a union, what is to stop management from contracting a bunch of RJ lift or reducing those new pay rates when ever they feel like it?

I Do like the new rates and rigs.

There is nothing stopping them. I think the last 10 years shows there is nothing stopping anyone, union or not.

 

[GuinessGuy]

The only thing that protects "us" from management not going to a contract carrier to provide "regional/commuter/cheep" lift is upper management's OBSESSION with our service and BRAND. THEY ARE OBSESSED!!!!! Republic/Comair/ASA whoever will never be able to provide our product or service to our "customers" and our crew in the "head shed" know that...........but scope is being addressed as we speak for legal protection........MB is all over.......like a cheap suit.............

 

[Headfake14]

The only thing that protects "us" from management not going to a contract carrier to provide "regional/commuter/cheep" lift is upper management's OBSESSION with our service and BRAND. THEY ARE OBSESSED!!!!! Republic/Comair/ASA whoever will never be able to provide our product or service to our "customers" and our crew in the "head shed" know that...........but scope is being addressed as we speak for legal protection........MB is all over.......like a cheap suit.............

...and thank god man. I beleive in that as well. No, I'm not a blue bible beater, but I do beleive in what we have. I don't want an RJ or Q400 flying our customers around....it'd be "unbecoming of the 'experience'"

 

[pipejockey]

Premium time trigger raised from 70 hours to 78!! Management still always wins. What an industry. So much for a pay raise.

 

[Caveman]

Premium time trigger raised from 70 hours to 78!! Management still always wins. What an industry. So much for a pay raise.

I'm a 4th year A320 FO.

Min guarantee (old rate): $63K
Min guarantee (new rate): $73.9K +$10.9K

78 hours (old rate): $73.8K
78 hours (new rate): $82.4K +$8.6K

85 hours (old rate): $83.3K
85 hours (new rate): $93.5K +$10.2K

7th year A320 CA:

Min guarantee (old rate): $108.4K
Min guarantee (new rate): $125.2K +$16.8K

78 hours (old rate): $126.9K
78 hours (new rate): $139.5K +$12.6K

85 hours (old rate): $143.2K
85 hours (new rate): $158.2K +$15K

2nd year E190 FO:

Min guarantee (old rate): $46.2K
Min guarantee (new rate): $61.3K +$15.1K

78 hours (old rate): $54.1K
78 hours (new rate): $68.3K +$14.2K

85 hours (old rate): $61K
85 hours (new rate): $77.5K +$16.5K

6th year E190 CA:

Min guarantee (old rate): $82.3K
Min guarantee (new rate): $110.9K +$28.6K

78 hours (old rate): $96.4K
78 hours (new rate): $123.6K +$27.2K

85 hours (old rate): $108.8K
85 hours (new rate): $140.2K +$31.4K

More money, decent rigs, and all PTO/PTS counts towards premuim. Those bastards!

Before you get the wrong idea, check my profile. I'm a 646'er and even though I already signed the new PEA I'll also be voting for ALPA if I get the chance. We still need to improve our M&A protection, scope language, retirement and LOL/LTD/STD, but any way you look at it this is a pretty decent raise. I'm giving management credit where credit is due. They stepped up with the money. They still have work to do, but so far so good.

 

[turbodog]

One other very important thing is that all credits will count towards Premium(PTO,PTS,Jury duty,bereavement,Dead heads) This is a big improvement. I have a credit for SEPT. for 122.5 hours. But I only fly 81 hours. Thats $12,700. Add per diem And you are well over $13,000 in the month of Sept. And do not forget to add a guarantee profit share of 5% not to bad for a 4th year Bus FO. Now with that said they have a lot more work to do. I think the pay was fair and the rigs were a start. Over all I think it is a good Start. The process just needs to speed up a bit.

 

[Caveman]

One other very important thing is that all credits will count towards Premium(PTO,PTS,Jury duty,bereavement,Dead heads) This is a big improvement. I have a credit for SEPT. for 122.5 hours. But I only fly 81 hours. Thats $12,700. Add per diem And you are well over $13,000 in the month of Sept. And do not forget to add a guarantee profit share of 5% not to bad for a 4th year Bus FO. Now with that said they have a lot more work to do. I think the pay was fair and the rigs were a start. Over all I think it is a good Start. The process just needs to speed up a bit.

Definitely.

 

[yosemitesammy]

Yeah, it would have been MUCH faster with a union. . .

 

[clickclickboom]

Almost as fast as a future sale, merger, acquisition will happen without a union.

Do some simple homework and see how many airlines have had transactional events in the last 50 years.. You will realize that the fuse is already lit and you will have one hand on your pud and the other scratching your head wondering what happened.

 

[IAHERJ]

Good job guys! I look forward to buying some JetBlue guys a beer next time I get a EWR layover.

 

[rjacobs]

Not to mention that when the bid divisors drop in sept and october my bids were right around 80hrs with 19 days off.. I can add 12-14 hr 2 day and be at 95 for the month and still have 17 off

What kind of trip's are you flying to get 80 hours of credit in 11-12 days? 3 27 hour four days? I wish I could get that much productivity.

 

[clickclickboom]

What kind of trip's are you flying to get 80 hours of credit in 11-12 days? 3 27 hour four days? I wish I could get that much productivity.

I am in the top 35% in jfk I bid any trips that give me 7hrs per day. We have many many day trips that pay over 7hrs..

this month i am at 94 hrs with 16 days off after picking up a few extra days of flying.