AAI & WN.....what's that gonna look like?

[Widow's Son]

Which union has the national record for being sued by its own affiliates?

Which union has the national record for job actions by its own employees?

Which union has the national record for the most events of an affiliate jumping ship to a competitor?

Which union has signed more concessionary contracts than progressive ones over the last 20 years?

Which union had to sell its headquarters building to fund lawsuit claims?

Which union charges almost twice the amount in dues yet operates on a much lower surplus?

Which union has almost four times the administrative overhead loading before the money can be put to member use?

Which union has had former leaders do jail time?

Which union's executives individually earn almost three times the other's?

>>will not fly struck work<<

Yeah, ask the Comair guys about that.

 

[slaquer5]

Which union has the national record for being sued by its own affiliates?

Which union has the national record for job actions by its own employees?

Which union has the national record for the most events of an affiliate jumping ship to a competitor?

Which union has signed more concessionary contracts than progressive ones over the last 20 years?

Which union had to sell its headquarters building to fund lawsuit claims?

Which union charges almost twice the amount in dues yet operates on a much lower surplus?

Which union has almost four times the administrative overhead loading before the money can be put to member use?

Which union has had former leaders do jail time?

Which union's executives individually earn almost three times the other's?

>>will not fly struck work<<

Yeah, ask the Comair guys about that.

OK ALPO guy i want to hear your response ....

 

[PCL_128]

OK ALPO guy i want to hear your response ....

The answer to every one of this questions is "not ALPA."

 

[ivauir]

Refer to the Usair/America West. Relative seniority, is the only fair way. That's what the new merger law says, that's what your arbitrator would say.

But what do I know.

Clearly you don't know "merger law" because "relative seniority" isn't mentioned anywhere in either AGM or B/M.

It wouldn't be relative seniority nor would it be a staple. IMHO DOH modified for W2s and career expectations is probably what arbitration would bring, but anyone who claims to KNOW doesn't understand arbitration.

 

[Fubijaakr]

PCL,

Its not DoH and you know it. DoH is not recognized by ALPA merger/frag policy OR A/M. Besides, Kelly has stated they're looking for a bankrupt 737 operator. That would be Sun Country. And those jamokes would probably eagerly take a staple just to get a whiff of SWA behinds.

 

[Cometman]

I wouldn't say their is no comparison. Airtran has been profitable for 8 of the last 9 years and has grown from 40 airplanes to 140 airplanes under the umbrella of the largest legacy airline hub in the world (Delta operates around 1000 flights a day out of ATL). Both Southwest and Airtran have been very successful finding their place in the domestic market.

Airtran had to make some difficult changes to the business plan last year (including slowing the growth) due to the spike in fuel prices. Those decisions put Airtran is a good position to return to profitability quickly as evidenced by 2009 producing record quarterly profits. Southwest was able to put off their changes until this year since Southwest was somewhat insulated from the higher fuel prices last year.

Either way, both airlines are strong and can coexist in the same marketplace as evidenced in BWI, MDW, and MCO and soon to be in BOS, LGA, and MKE. Southwest has an advantage of a really strong balance sheet with little debt while Airtran has some of the lowest unit costs in the industry. Southwest and Airtran will continue to chip away domestic marketshare from the legacies for many years to come either as a merged company or as independent LCCs.

You made a good point.

 

[Lear70]

PCL,

Its not DoH and you know it.

I think he already said that...?

Besides, Kelly has stated they're looking for a bankrupt 737 operator. That would be Sun Country. And those jamokes would probably eagerly take a staple just to get a whiff of SWA behinds.

And, of course, airline CEO's ALWAYS do what they say they're going to do in those vague press releases...

He also said that they would only be interested in airlines that operate the same type of aircraft (737) but then went after F9 with a substantial Airbus presence in their fleet that would have to be phased out.

Again, no one knows what they have in mind, and if anyone truly believes everything Southwest puts out to the press, then I have some ocean-front property here in TN I'd like to sell you...

 

[eaglesview]

The answer to every one of this questions is "not ALPA."

Sorry. The answer to all of these examples is ALPA. Try taking a look at reality.

 

[eaglesview]

PCL,

Its not DoH and you know it. DoH is not recognized by ALPA merger/frag policy OR A/M. .

Sorry, help me out here. SWAPA would care about ALPA's merger policy because..........

 

[Kharma Police]

Yeah and how many Airtran pilots have been hired or applied at Swa.
Just kidding. I hope it never happens.

Funny, I know a couple people turned down by AirTran then hired by SWA.

 

[Bobby Orr 4]

No to ALPA

I was an ALPA member for over 7 years. I would personally talk to any SWAPA pilot that thinks ALPA is a better choice for the group and convince them otherwise.
I agree this is a mental masterbation. Will not happen.
Probability that SWAPA pilots would ever vote for ALPA representation? Less than the probability that WN acquires AAI.

 

[Vne]

which union has the national record for being sued by its own affiliates?

Which union has the national record for job actions by its own employees?

Which union has the national record for the most events of an affiliate jumping ship to a competitor?

Which union has signed more concessionary contracts than progressive ones over the last 20 years?

Which union had to sell its headquarters building to fund lawsuit claims?

Which union charges almost twice the amount in dues yet operates on a much lower surplus?

Which union has almost four times the administrative overhead loading before the money can be put to member use?

Which union has had former leaders do jail time?

Which union's executives individually earn almost three times the other's?

>>will not fly struck work<<

yeah, ask the comair guys about that.

That would be.........................................A L P A

 

[Fubijaakr]

Sorry, help me out here. SWAPA would care about ALPA's merger policy because..........

If you read the post a little closer, you would realize I was referring to an ALPA/ALPA merger scenario opined in a previous post. An ALPA/SWAPA merger would be governed by Allegheny/Mohawk as dictated by Bond/McCaskill.

The ALPA merger/frag policy is pretty close to the Allegheny/Mohawk LPPs.

 

[luv2fly]

The QOL that you mention is the key. The only way to maintain QOL is to maintain relative seniority.

Not necessarily. Ask the number one guy at Mesa or any other QOL sh!thole airline how their QOL life is.

Just having a better system can make a lower seniority dude have better QOL than a more senior one at a terrible work rules place!

 

[runwayjockey]

Is it just me, or it this thread fvcking stupid?

And it's always the same 10 @ssholes posting on here! I must have half this thread on my ignore list!