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If he had the stones to call in fatigued I would have been fine with it. Seems he danced around the issue and I don't respect that.
THIS.

Personally, I can respect a guy that calls me and tells me he's tired (even if there is an underlying motive like commuting home 12 hours early...I don't need to know that). What I have a hard time respecting, however, is someone who blatantly dilly-dallys around, even allowing boarding, in attempt to time out instead of having the cajones to make the call.

Sorry, I find zero humour in this little story.
 
Walter,
What do you think of my point in post #6? That the company would financially punish him if he called out fatigued, but not if the FAR's cancelled the flight?
 
Walter,
What do you think of my point in post #6? That the company would financially punish him if he called out fatigued, but not if the FAR's cancelled the flight?


Wont care...you are just numbers on his computer screen. Gotta make that completion factor at any cost.
 
Wont care...you are just numbers on his computer screen. Gotta make that completion factor at any cost.
I'm glad COOPERVANE is here to answer my questions for me. Gee, it's like you know me so well...

Walter,
What do you think of my point in post #6? That the company would financially punish him if he called out fatigued, but not if the FAR's cancelled the flight?
I think it's a crap sandwich. I'm not sure what the fix is, because you and I both know that it would become a fatigued call free-for-all if there were some kind of compensation for it. That said, it's crap that you have to make that choice. I don't have the answers on this one, though I hope pilots as a whole find an answer to it...I'm just saying that I, personally, in my position can respect a professional that makes the call instead of playing games with passengers just to force a cancel.
 
I think it's a crap sandwich. I'm not sure what the fix is, because you and I both know that it would become a fatigued call free-for-all if there were some kind of compensation for it. That said, it's crap that you have to make that choice. I don't have the answers on this one, though I hope pilots as a whole find an answer to it...I'm just saying that I, personally, in my position can respect a professional that makes the call instead of playing games with passengers just to force a cancel.
Agreed, it should never have come down to playing games with passengers. The solution is simple: rational duty limits and rest rules, mandated by the FAA. There should never be a 15 or 16 hour day for pilots, I don't care how much the pilot or the company wants the hours. Make it a 12 hour day max, and no one has to make the choice.
 
Ya know I have a funny story about a captain who was in a interesting predicament one snowy night in ORD,

It was going to be the last leg of a long day that had streched itself from a scheduled 13 hr duty day, right up to the limit of 16 hrs,

it was day 3 of 4 and he was tired after all that days challenges,

the nasty UAL gate agent ran down and said "we need to board now, dispatch just called and said if we dont have the door closed by 35 after then you will be illegal",

the next morning is one leg back to ORD and then he is done for several days,

out of curiousity and just in case they cancel the captain calls AA on his cell and they say that there is a delayed flight leaving for his home city in 90 minutes with tons of seats.

the agent hands the paperwork to the FO with 5 minutes to spare, the flight is a full boat to somewhere, and the lav is MEL'd

just then the captain passes some pretty rank gas, and the FO says, "hey man that stinks! do you need to go take a dump?"

the captain ponders this question for a moment and says, "why yes, I do need to go take a dump" he grabs his USA today and heads up the jetway,

about 30 minutes later he comes back to the gate, pushes his way through 66 pissed off pax, goes down to an empty and dark RJ, his bag is in the hole, he takes his stuff and heads for AA,

DONT U JUST LOVE HAPPY ENDINGS!

Is this funny?
 

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