UAL wants to change jumpseating to ID90

[JoeMerchant]

I agree. However, the UAX pilots used vinegar in this past spring, not honey. The UAL pilots may very well be the path for resolution for the UAX pilots... Desite the fact that the UAL pilots really have nothing to do with this. That is why is it good form and politics to create alliances and friends.

Hey Rez....the vinegar worked....The policy was changed when the UAX pilots banded together...That pi$$es you off for 2 reasons:

1. It was done outside of ALPA by UAX pilots who were ALPA, Teamsters, and non-union...It was more unity than I have ever seen amongst ALPA groups.

2. It was lowly regional pilots standing up to the mainline pilots...something that just isn't acceptable within ALPA.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Hey Rez....the vinegar worked....The policy was changed when the UAX pilots banded together...That pi$$es you off for 2 reasons:

You would know absolutely NOTHING about unity! You and your group of rjdc scumbags are the epitimy of selfish

1. It was done outside of ALPA by UAX pilots who were ALPA, Teamsters, and non-union...It was more unity than I have ever seen amongst ALPA groups.

Looks like you need glasses then!

2. It was lowly regional pilots standing up to the mainline pilots...something that just isn't acceptable within ALPA.

What's that, right out of the rjdc playbook?:laugh:
Here Joey, I've got something for you, its called tissues, you'll need them for your constant........:crying: :crying: :crying:

 

[WalterSobchak]

epitimy

Epitome.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You would know absolutely NOTHING about unity! You and your group of rjdc scumbags are the epitimy of selfish


Looks like you need glasses then!


What's that, right out of the rjdc playbook?:laugh:
Here Joey, I've got something for you, its called tissues, you'll need them for your constant........:crying: :crying: :crying:

Recall, the spring 09 issue was a software glich in apollo. The UAL pilots had no obligation whatsoever to do anything other than a professional courtesy and belonging to the same union.

The commonality between these two jumpseat issues and the RJDC is the lack of political skills of the UAX pilots and RJDC tools to forge long term relationships with fellow pilot groups.... Therefore, management knows how to write the scripts and watch the players act on cue....

 

[DoinTime]

Recall, the spring 09 issue was a software glich in apollo. The UAL pilots had no obligation whatsoever to do anything other than a professional courtesy and belonging to the same union.

The commonality between these two jumpseat issues and the RJDC is the lack of political skills of the UAX pilots and RJDC tools to forge long term relationships with fellow pilot groups.... Therefore, management knows how to write the scripts and watch the players act on cue....

The last UAL jumpseat issue is remarkably similar to this one. A glitch or change of policy drastically alters the benefits of the UAX pilots while having no impact on the UAL pilot. UAX pilots repeatedly request assistance from the UAL pilots with the only feedback being "we have no obligation to you". UAX pilot go nuclear and start to effect UAL pilots ability to get to work and now it becomes enough of an issue for the UAL pilots to act on.

Hopefully, the UAX pilots don't have to go nuclear again.

 

[Poahi]

So what would you expects UAL pilots to do for y'all? Strike?

It sounds like they are suggesting they find a different way to get to work.

 

[Beantown]

So, is the new policy going to effect off-line JS'ers like the origional post said?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Epitome.

Typo. Thanks.
That's ok, tomorrow I'll learn how to spell. He'll be an *********************************** forever!

 

[JimmyKool]

UAX Pilots and Pass Charges
United Airlines and all UAX managements have signed an agreement whereby all UAX employees that occupy a cabin seat on any UAX flight will be charged an associated fee. It is also expected, but not written in this agreement, that UAX pilots would also be charged for a seat while traveling under the provisions of unlimited jumpseat travel on their own carrier, as well as other UAX flights.

Needless to say, the UAX pilots are outraged with this agreement. The UAL-MEC Jumpseat Committee is also in agreement that there be no charges levied for a jumpseat, flight deck or cabin. UAX pilots jumpseat agreements allow for unlimited jumpseats to all offline carriers as well as their own pilots. We fully support these UAX carriers in their efforts to exercise their agreements to their fullest .However, we cannot negotiate on their behalf, nor can we represent them in discussions with their respective managements. We will do everything we can to support these UAX pilots with their endeavors.

With this new policy being implemented, there may be some disgruntled UAX pilots who will accuse the UAL-MEC Jumpseat Committee and UA flight ops of being responsible for this policy change. Flights ops and your Jumpseat Committee are in no way responsible for its content. If you jumpseat on a UAX flight, you may encounter a UAX pilot who that may want to deny you a jumpseat. We have not seen any correspondence from the UAX jumpseat chairpersons that they would deny our pilots a jumpseat because of this new policy. Therefore, these pilots may be acting on their own behalf. Should you encounter a denial as a result of this policy change, we ask that you contact the Jumpseat Committee as soon as possible. We will not tolerate this conduct and will make the UAX Jumpseat Committee chairs aware of this immediately.

Where United Airlines and the UAX managements have entered into this agreement, it is incumbent upon the UAX pilot groups to confront their managements with these policy changes and correct them as appropriate. Your Jumpseat Committee will offer any assistance it can to the UAX committee chairs in getting this policy, as it pertains to jumpseating, reversed.

 

[Booker]

So as Beantown asked, does the above confirm the charges are applicable only to UAX pilots and not other OAL pilots?

Thanks for any further clarification!

 

[trachyte11]

Recall, the spring 09 issue was a software glich in apollo. The UAL pilots had no obligation whatsoever to do anything other than a professional courtesy and belonging to the same union.QUOTE]

If you're going to comment on something, you should educate yourself about it. It was far more than just a glitch in the apollo system. It started as a blatant abuse of js priority on UAX carriers by the UAL jumpseat committee. The 'glitch' was the prohibitively expensive IT excuse UAL management gave as to why they wouldn't fix the problem. Hence the return of paper forms.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Watch how quick this changes when United pilots have to pay to ride on a UAX flight....Just reciprocate on the same basis and it will change...Vinegar works better than honey in this business...despite the ramblings of Rez....

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Being that you and your rjdc clowns are such vaginas, I can certainly understand your use of vinegar.

Watch how quick this changes when United pilots have to pay to ride on a UAX flight....Just reciprocate on the same basis and it will change...Vinegar works better than honey in this business...despite the ramblings of Rez....

 

[Flyer2000]

This issue has been resolved. No fee is necessary for ANY pilot riding OMC on UA/UAX flights.

 

[JoeMerchant]

This issue has been resolved. No fee is necessary for ANY pilot riding OMC on UA/UAX flights.

That's great news...How was it resolved?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

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[JoeMerchant]

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Best thing you've ever said!

 

[Flyer2000]

It was resolved by having our CEO not sign a contract until it was agreed upon to have it in writing that there will be "no change" to OMC travel for all UAX pilots.

Now we are working on getting something we can show the agents so that any confusion will be cleared up right then instead of after the fact.

 

[trip]

Hmmmm, not ALPA?

 

[PCL_128]

This isn't an issue that stems from UAX management. This is a United management issue and only the United pilots can peacefully influence United management.

Should the UAL pilots use their own bargaining leverage to negotiate for non-ALPA pilots at UAX carriers? Republic, GoJet, and Skywest are flying most of UAL's feed, and all are non-ALPA. I certainly wouldn't waste a drop of negotiating grease to pay for their jumpseat access. If the TSA, MAG, and CJC MECs come to the UAL MEC and "use honey instead of vinegar," as Rez said, then I would certainly see some value to helping out their ALPA brothers, but I couldn't give a rat's ass if GoJet pilots get free jumpseat access.

Oh well....I'm sure that in the mean time the United MEC can keep themselves busy with the childish pranks they are famous for. Whats next? "Glenn's Got To Go" beer mugs?

Well, no disagreement there.

Hardball works!

I find it curious that you only favor "hardball" tactics against your fellow ALPA pilots and never against the management team that has continuously underpaid you for your entire career. Direct your anger and "hardball" where it belongs: at management.

Hey Rez....the vinegar worked....The policy was changed when the UAX pilots banded together...That pi$$es you off for 2 reasons:

1. It was done outside of ALPA by UAX pilots who were ALPA, Teamsters, and non-union...It was more unity than I have ever seen amongst ALPA groups.

2. It was lowly regional pilots standing up to the mainline pilots...something that just isn't acceptable within ALPA.

Your "facts" are anything but. The issue last summer was resolved by a member of the CJC ALPA organizing committee, and the current CJC MEC Chairman, suggesting on an ALPA conference call the solution that was ultimately used. Your "hardball" tactics were producing the opposite results. The UAL pilots were gearing up for all-out jumpseat war with the UAX carriers that were issuing threats against them. They weren't going to cave to your barbarian tactics. It was only making them more resolute. It took some diplomacy and political acumen from a dedicated ALPA volunteer at CJC to resolve the issue without going to battle.

So, is the new policy going to effect off-line JS'ers like the origional post said?

I don't believe that was ever the case. Bad information from SAPA. What a surprise.

Best thing you've ever said!

You should follow his example.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I would think there is a liability issue for a revenue pilot being charged for occupying a jumpseat.

 

[Flyer2000]

Your "facts" are anything but. The issue last summer was resolved by a member of the CJC ALPA organizing committee, and the current CJC MEC Chairman, suggesting on an ALPA conference call the solution that was ultimately used. Your "hardball" tactics were producing the opposite results. The UAL pilots were gearing up for all-out jumpseat war with the UAX carriers that were issuing threats against them. They weren't going to cave to your barbarian tactics. It was only making them more resolute. It took some diplomacy and political acumen from a dedicated ALPA volunteer at CJC to resolve the issue without going to battle.

Hmmm, were you on that call? I was, and can tell you that you are flat out wrong. The solution came from the hard work, and combined effort of ALL the Jumpseat Committees, UAL, MAG, SkyW, RAH, GoJet (Trans States JSC was non participatory), and Colgan.

As to SAPA getting it wrong.....Well then UAL got it wrong as well as that is where the info came from.

Get your facts straight.