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Could the Republic/Frontier/Lynx announcement mean something for Delta?

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General Lee

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How about finally replacing those ASA ATRs with Lynx's Dash-8-400s, or having Republic buy more under the Lynx certificate and flying them out of ATL? Wow, from what I remember, that Lynx contract is a great one.......ASA (and all DCI carriers) will now have to compete with Lynx.....ouch. I don't think Delta would have anything to do with Frontier, but I can see Bedford using the Lynx certificate for other airline feeds, and DL might want the new Dash. The pay there is close to Colgan's, right? You never know....


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Don't know General. But we are in a brave new world after this. Wouldn't be surprised to see Lynx and CHQ combined just to get rid of so many certificates. It costs a lot of money to keep them seperate, particularly because the pilot and FA contracts require everyone to be on the same seniority list. I can see Bedford combining the Lynx/CHQ certificates and Frontier/Republic because it will streamline operations, cut costs, and will not violate any scope. Shuttle will stay as is due to scope restrictions at DL and UA.
 
How about finally replacing those ASA ATRs with Lynx's Dash-8-400s, or having Republic buy more under the Lynx certificate and flying them out of ATL? Wow, from what I remember, that Lynx contract is a great one.......ASA (and all DCI carriers) will now have to compete with Lynx.....ouch. I don't think Delta would have anything to do with Frontier, but I can see Bedford using the Lynx certificate for other airline feeds, and DL might want the new Dash. The pay there is close to Colgan's, right? You never know....


Bye Bye---General Lee


I'm not sure why you are enjoying this?

For everyone's sake I hope you don't lose your cushy Delta job to a bunch of people getting paid $35/hr to fly an A320 which isn't that far off from an A321, which isn't that far off from a 757, which isn't that far off from a 767, which isn't that far off from an A330. Funny, those are all Delta airplanes. Captain's being displaced out of their A320's and 737s are probably going to displace you, to Compass if Republic doesn't purchase them, or the street. Eventually you will figure out when to stop being such a smug son of a bitch. You'll be on here complaining about the regional pukes that "took yer job."

Then again it may not get to the extent I described above so you will probably keep making jokes, and laugh all the way to the bank with your measly hundred grand a year job if it is still worth that much after all the senior bubbas over 60 finish giving away more of your contract until they hit 65. If your beloved Delturd uses other companies as tools to undermine contract labor how will they treat their in house employees? *BELCH*
 
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Ever since Bedford took RAH all jet, he has stayed far away from props. When he bought Shuttle America, he sold all the SAAB's. When Continental asked if he would operate the Q 400, he said no. I would be surprised if at this point Bedford decided that props would fit into his business plan. Lots of us pilots would like to fly the big Dash, but it is not our call to make. I would expect him to sell off the certificate to raise cash. He may either sell off Lynx as a whole, functioning airline, or sell the planes and certificate separately. Whatever makes him the most coin, and helps fuel his spending habits, will be the plan. However, Lynx pilots will be eligible for integration into the RAH seniority list.

This is a bold move into uncharted territory. No one is exactly sure how this is going to play out. There is little in the past to draw experience from. So far, many of the RAH pilots are expressing concern that this is way more than our airline can handle, and may send us down the road towards our own disintegration.

One positive in this whole deal is that, if Lynx pilots are acquired in this deal (the terms of the business plan for exiting bankruptcy have NOT been laid out yet), they will become unionized in the integration process. All RAH payscale speicify jet aircraft, so if the Q remains on property, a new pay rate will have to be negotiated, which gives us an opportunity to raise the Lynx pay scale.
 
How about finally replacing those ASA ATRs with Lynx's Dash-8-400s, or having Republic buy more under the Lynx certificate and flying them out of ATL? Wow, from what I remember, that Lynx contract is a great one.......ASA (and all DCI carriers) will now have to compete with Lynx.....ouch. I don't think Delta would have anything to do with Frontier, but I can see Bedford using the Lynx certificate for other airline feeds, and DL might want the new Dash. The pay there is close to Colgan's, right? You never know....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Dude!!

Get a life and hang out on the Mainline board.
 
I see frontier/republic flying airbus for delta first. That would be more inline with delta's past announcements.
 
How about finally replacing those ASA ATRs with Lynx's Dash-8-400s, or having Republic buy more under the Lynx certificate and flying them out of ATL? Wow, from what I remember, that Lynx contract is a great one.......ASA (and all DCI carriers) will now have to compete with Lynx.....ouch. I don't think Delta would have anything to do with Frontier, but I can see Bedford using the Lynx certificate for other airline feeds, and DL might want the new Dash. The pay there is close to Colgan's, right? You never know....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Don't even joke about ATL. Having to commute to DEN is bad enough.
 
Wow...who is owned by who? Flying for them under this and that...who can keep it straight anymore!?!?!
 
I see frontier/republic flying airbus for delta first. That would be more inline with delta's past announcements.


Yeah, right.......??????? Smokin MORE dope are you?

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Do you really think anything good will come of another uber low cost entrant into the market?
 
When Continental asked if he would operate the Q 400, he said no. I would be surprised if at this point Bedford decided that props would fit into his business plan.

As I remember, Bedford's main reasoning for not taking the Q400 for Contintental was the expense of placing them on the certificate could not be justified for the number of aircraft involved. With Lynx, those costs have already been absorbed. Due to fuel costs, there will be more turboprops feeding the majors, so I won't be surprised to see him keep them.
 
They will be buying SWA next, no staples just fire your asses. LOL

you both need to chill!!! he going to buy both and staple you two and the bottom of the FA list!!!:smash:
 
How about finally replacing those ASA ATRs with Lynx's Dash-8-400s, or having Republic buy more under the Lynx certificate and flying them out of ATL? Wow, from what I remember, that Lynx contract is a great one.......ASA (and all DCI carriers) will now have to compete with Lynx.....ouch. I don't think Delta would have anything to do with Frontier, but I can see Bedford using the Lynx certificate for other airline feeds, and DL might want the new Dash. The pay there is close to Colgan's, right? You never know....


Bye Bye---General Lee


I love this mindset. If you had any grey matter in that flat top delta dome you would want the regionals to be paid as much as possible and better duty rigs, QOL, etc. The closer they are to the legacy the more likely you get 100 seaters at mainline. The cheaper those regionals are( insert lynx here), the more pressure it puts on you. But you are doing the typical top 50% of the legacy. You are not worried about furlough anymore so get as cheap a feed as possible because that means big paychecks for those africa turns.

I should know better than even posting this on the 'regional' forum to a mainline guy...... as I once learned..... never argue with a fool because after a few minutes nobody can tell the difference
 
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I love this mindset. If you had any grey matter in that flat top delta dome you would want the regionals to be paid as much as possible and better duty rigs, QOL, etc. The closer they are to the legacy the more likely you get 100 seaters at mainline. The cheaper those regionals are( insert lynx here), the more pressure it puts on you. But you are doing the typical top 50% of the legacy. You are not worried about furlough anymore so get as cheap a feed as possible because that means big paychecks for those africa turns.

I should know better than even posting this on the 'regional' forum to a mainline guy...... as I once learned..... never argue with a fool because after a few minutes nobody can tell the difference


Hey, let me get this straight. I want higher pay for regionals. I am just thinnking what THEY MIGHT DO HERE. That is it. I don't want lower pay to result, it might just happen that way. Got it? I am trying to figure out their next move. That's it. And, I don't wish for any furloughs, for anyone. It is just amazing to watch what is happening in front of us.


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They will be buying SWA next, no staples just fire your asses. LOL

Dang, angry. I have some buddies there, I can get a rec. at Republic. I also have 7 legs of Autothrottle experience, so I have that going for me. I hear the ERJ's have all sorts of "full-up" equipment. LOL.
 
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Yeah, right.......??????? Smokin MORE dope are you?

Bye Bye--General Lee


I was just making a comment about how delta has a fairly good track record of giving away flying in larger and larger aircraft to other companies. Now one of the companies that delta has given away flying to in the past has larger airplanes. And as Delta has demostrated over the past the pilots will give that flying away for a small, probably only short lived, bump up in pay. I'm not saying that is an absolute future, but it would be a break away from the pilot's group past if they didn't give it away.
 
Do you really think anything good will come of another uber low cost entrant into the market?

Quick upgrades! . . . Or even better - street captains!!!
 
Wow, General Lee. For the first time I understand why you're so unpopular on this forum. Delta is trying to shed regional, why would they add more capacity in this market?

What is your level of education?
 
Wow, General Lee. For the first time I understand why you're so unpopular on this forum. Delta is trying to shed regional, why would they add more capacity in this market?

What is your level of education?


Smarter than you obviously. And as far as being unpopular, this aint no popularity contest. Are you trying to be popular on an anonymous web board? You might need to be the next guest on Dr. Phil. You obviously don't know much about Delta or ASA, or any of the DCI carriers. Delta still wants to find "the right fit" for each route, and the ATRs were good but getting old. Delta has looked at the Dash-8-400, and probably likes it. There are plenty of routes around the hubs that could use a Dash-8-400 rather than a 50 seat RJs (or even a 70/76 seater). It would be more fuel efficient, and looking at the lower pay generally---more cost efficient--in Delta management's eyes. That is the key. I am not advocating less pay and benefits, rather I am trying to figure out what management MIGHT do. That is what happens sometimes on anonymous forums. I see that you might fly for ASA, and I can see why you don't even want to think about what might replace your beloved ATR. This is a sign of the times, and scope is important.(we have learned that over the years, and hopefully are hardening ours for the future) Comair went for the pay during their last contract, and neglected scope--and we now have a flood of DCI carriers. Expect to see more of that---and at the lowest cost, unfortunately.



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I was just making a comment about how delta has a fairly good track record of giving away flying in larger and larger aircraft to other companies. Now one of the companies that delta has given away flying to in the past has larger airplanes. And as Delta has demostrated over the past the pilots will give that flying away for a small, probably only short lived, bump up in pay. I'm not saying that is an absolute future, but it would be a break away from the pilot's group past if they didn't give it away.


We have given away a lot in the past. Will it happen in the future? I don't think so, since we have now merged with a tougher group of pilots, and the rest of us that are LEFT (after we lost the top 2000 pre BK for their pensions), have seen the affects of RJ proliferation. We have suffered displacements etc due to airplanes going away and being replaced by RJs. Many of the top guys that couldn't care any less about regionals while they were only doing Europe etc, are gone. (at least on the Delta South side) What I am saying is it will be tougher to vote away scope now. Our MEC knows it, and the vast majority of us won't VOLUNTARILY vote it away now, not even for a pay bump. Some top guys might not care, but they are not in the majority for sure. BK court allowed some increases in RJs, but that will hopefully not be the case again in the future. Anyone who thinks BK Court wasn't the reason for the last increase in RJs is nuts.


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