Lear 60 PIC needed......10,000 TT needed. lol

[Fly91]

Climbto350.com

What kind of idiots require 10,000 TT to fly a Lear 60?


March 25, 2009
CONFIDENTIAL (Lear 60 PIC - Houston, TX)
Full time Lear 60 Captain Houston, TX You will need to live here. MUST HAVE 10,000 total time! Learjet experience is preferred. When applying, ref: climbto350.com
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[AbOvo]

Apparently with 10,000TT and zero Lear time I'm much more safe than a 7K TT Lear pilot. Yeah right.

 

[LR60BOY]

I guess I don't qualify either with 2000 hours in type!

 

[mxpilot2]

I've got the TT, and Lear experience, just not in the 60.

Don't really care to live in TX, and I KNOW my wife won't. No offense to those that do, it's a nice place to visit.

Chris

 

[JJET44]

With the current economy, why not ask for the moon and stars? Supply and demand!!!!
A few years ago they may have been satisfied with anyone with a pulse.

 

[joelo88]

what a joke. i've had to babysit a few 10000 hr pilots...

 

[jergar999]

I heard you can get in with 9900 hours if you graduated from UND or ERAU.

 

[joelo88]

damn... if i'd only gone there

 

[waka]

Climbto350.com

What kind of idiots require 10,000 TT to fly a Lear 60?

I noticed you specified a Lear 60 in your question. Would the 10,000 hour requirement be justified in any other kind of airplane?

 

[rumpletumbler]

I don't know if this is the company but they only ask for 100 in type and then state it isn't required.

Maybe it was a typo?

http://theaircharterjournal.com/jobs/lear60/

Edit....3500TT required. I jumped right over that apparently.

Maybe it was a typo coupled with a time in type/total time crazy ivan.

 

[Fly91]

I noticed you specified a Lear 60 in your question. Would the 10,000 hour requirement be justified in any other kind of airplane?

A US Air Force/NASA XB-70 Valkyrie captain.

 

[NCherches]

I heard you can get in with 9900 hours if you graduated from UND or ERAU.

ERAU makes you not-eligable for hire

 

[airdog577]

Just in case anyone wants to change oil and load bags !

POSITION SUMMARY: This position is responsible for flying company aircrafts. The First Officer will assist the Captain with any tasks that company assigns.


PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES:

* Fly company aircraft
* Maintain aircraft pre-flight
* Conduct aircraft towing
* Fuel Orders
* Help Team Members load and unload baggage
* Assist Captain when inspecting company cars and oil changes

Apply online at: http://www.menards.com/careersGO.do



Requirements
* Current Commercial Pilots License with multi-engine rating
* Current Class II medical certificate
* 3 landings in past 90 days in multi-engine aircraft at night
* 6 hours instrument actual or simulated and 6 instrument approaches in the past 6 months
* Biannual flight review
* Knowledge of FAR Part 61 and 91
* Flight hours (The Chief Pilot may accept changes to totals listed below if deemed fit):

o Total Flight Time of 700 hours
o Total Multi-engine 50 hours
o Total Instrument 50 hours



Contact

 

[soarby007]

it's only a big deal if you don't have 10,000 hrs. In today's market you can ask for anything. At my company, I got cut from flying a jet and king air, and they promoted a co-pilot to captain in a kingair who had a total of 1.0 hours of dual in the kingair and no previous PIC time in anything.. So go figure.

 

[rjpilot7667]

That sounds like a great gig, I would rather sort screws at home depot.

 

[westwind driver]

To all those who wouldn't want to help with oil changes / extra duties etc,

It may not be what you're looking for, after all seems most pilots just want to fly an airplane and get paid an incredible ammount of money for doing it, but to someone a job like that might pay their bills until something better comes along.

You know why CFOs and other management don't like pilots? Because airplanes cost money. Pilots in general do nothing to generate revenue or contribute to the bottom line. And now with the state of the economy, many organizations are trying to pinch pennies, so instead of just flying the aircraft, you might actually have to do something constructive for the company.

Pilots are a dime-a-dozen. There is nothing special about being a pilot. To management pilots are just a piece of meat in the seat, easily replaced.

When was the last time some of you went in armed with records showing where you helped the company save money. Such as where there are two FBOs on a field, one has fuel that is $1 per gallon cheaper, so you go there, and keep a log of how much money you saved by purchasing at one FBO and not the other?

I've heard many a pilot say 'Whats it matter, if they can't afford the gas, they can't afford the airplane.' Same thing with really nice hotels and SUV rental cars.

Bottom line is this, in today's economy and job market, if you're not willing to lower your standard just a little bit, and get off the GOD complex, you simply will have to wait for a job when this turns around.

Everyone knows this joke:
What's the difference between a pilot and God? God doesn't think he's a pilot.

Just food for thought. I'm not trying to rag on anybody here, just trying to open some eyes to the fact that there is no need to complain if you're not willing to even apply for the job. Someone will take the job, and that is the reality. Many have been too high on the hog in recent years and don't know how to adjust. I don't agree with flying for free or flying for currency or paying for training, but someone out there does and is willing to do these things just to get their foot in the door.

Okay anyway, rant over.

BTW, if you have questions about why a company wants 10,000TT, why don't you try to contact them directly and ask? No stupid question except the one never asked (that could be argued too LOL)

Ya'll have a great day!

 

[X man]

Lear 60

Not to get involved with the discussions as of date, did anyone land this job, is it still open, any feedback on resume's, etc.

Cheers

 

[rjpilot7667]

To all those who wouldn't want to help with oil changes / extra duties etc,

It may not be what you're looking for, after all seems most pilots just want to fly an airplane and get paid an incredible ammount of money for doing it, but to someone a job like that might pay their bills until something better comes along.

You know why CFOs and other management don't like pilots? Because airplanes cost money. Pilots in general do nothing to generate revenue or contribute to the bottom line. And now with the state of the economy, many organizations are trying to pinch pennies, so instead of just flying the aircraft, you might actually have to do something constructive for the company.

Pilots are a dime-a-dozen. There is nothing special about being a pilot. To management pilots are just a piece of meat in the seat, easily replaced.

When was the last time some of you went in armed with records showing where you helped the company save money. Such as where there are two FBOs on a field, one has fuel that is $1 per gallon cheaper, so you go there, and keep a log of how much money you saved by purchasing at one FBO and not the other?

I've heard many a pilot say 'Whats it matter, if they can't afford the gas, they can't afford the airplane.' Same thing with really nice hotels and SUV rental cars.

Bottom line is this, in today's economy and job market, if you're not willing to lower your standard just a little bit, and get off the GOD complex, you simply will have to wait for a job when this turns around.

Everyone knows this joke:
What's the difference between a pilot and God? God doesn't think he's a pilot.

Just food for thought. I'm not trying to rag on anybody here, just trying to open some eyes to the fact that there is no need to complain if you're not willing to even apply for the job. Someone will take the job, and that is the reality. Many have been too high on the hog in recent years and don't know how to adjust. I don't agree with flying for free or flying for currency or paying for training, but someone out there does and is willing to do these things just to get their foot in the door.

Okay anyway, rant over.

BTW, if you have questions about why a company wants 10,000TT, why don't you try to contact them directly and ask? No stupid question except the one never asked (that could be argued too LOL)

Ya'll have a great day!

The problem is that the amount of time required confuses quantity instead of quality. I have flown with 20,000 hr pilots that have scared the daylights out of me and leave me wondering how they have lived that long. The focus should be on quality and while we are on the subject guys that look at themselves as just meat in the seat are just that. You need to contribute to your organization and the minute you hear those kind of comments out of someones mouth you need to correct them. I can crunch numbers at a desk all day and I do, can they fly jets? the answer almost always is no.

As an MBA I am keenly aware of the economy and how it has effected people and if you are one of them I feel sorry for you too. But don't mistake arrogance for obsurdity for a lear 60 10000 hrs is absurd, I've flown that aircraft a lot. It is a bit to handle but not the space shuttle. The part I have a problem with is changing oil in the company cars.

Did you work this hard to change oil? How about showing some backbone and doing your (flying the airplane) instead of taking the job away from the guy at quicklube.

You should also be careful when commenting on high pilot salaries because most of us are worth every penny and more. Our industry needs to get back to paying reasonable rates for the jobs that we perform. It is people that think the contrarty that ruin the industry and as someone who hires pilots I am on the look out for just that type. And the reason I won't contact this company to find out why they want the time is because I don't care.

What ev

 

[westwind driver]

The problem is that the amount of time required confuses quantity instead of quality. I have flown with 20,000 hr pilots that have scared the daylights out of me and leave me wondering how they have lived that long. The focus should be on quality and while we are on the subject guys that look at themselves as just meat in the seat are just that. You need to contribute to your organization and the minute you hear those kind of comments out of someones mouth you need to correct them. I can crunch numbers at a desk all day and I do, can they fly jets? the answer almost always is no.

As an MBA I am keenly aware of the economy and how it has effected people and if you are one of them I feel sorry for you too. But don't mistake arrogance for obsurdity for a lear 60 10000 hrs is absurd, I've flown that aircraft a lot. It is a bit to handle but not the space shuttle. The part I have a problem with is changing oil in the company cars.

Did you work this hard to change oil? How about showing some backbone and doing your (flying the airplane) instead of taking the job away from the guy at quicklube.

You should also be careful when commenting on high pilot salaries because most of us are worth every penny and more. Our industry needs to get back to paying reasonable rates for the jobs that we perform. It is people that think the contrarty that ruin the industry and as someone who hires pilots I am on the look out for just that type. And the reason I won't contact this company to find out why they want the time is because I don't care.

What ev

Points taken and chewed over a bit. I too have flown with other pilots with high time that just didn't seem to be safe, for whatever reason. Do I believe it takes 10,000 hrs to safely fly a lear 60? Absolutely not. I agree with you that quality matters over quantity, but in a way they have to go hand and hand. It's the quality of experience, over a length of time that matters.

As for changing oil, well you gotta look at this. They wanted a 700 hour pilot minimum. In other words, somebody hungry enough to pay a few more dues. Should the department manager lower his own standard to changing oil himself? For the higher time, more experienced pilots this brings the level kinda low. But that's what he decides to do. Without really knowing how many cars they have, it's kinda hard to know what's really involved. I mean, the company car could mean a corvette you get to drive home. Don't laugh, my dad flew a Hawker 400 (that's hs125-400a for those of you who think a beechjet is a hawker) years ago. The guy that owned it gave him a vet as a company car.

As for highly qualified pilots making top dollar. Why? Is it QOL? The way I see it, if you're qualified in one jet aircraft, chances are with the right training and operational experience, you can fly any other jet. So why is it a captain on a G550 makes an annual average $140,000, but a Falcon 7X Captain averages $126,000. Or a Legacy captain averages $97,000 (figures according to the Pro Pilot 2009 US Salary Survey) Why should the Gulfstream captain make more? Because it's a Gulfstream? So that's what I was getting at with the God complex. Many pilot believe they should be paid simply because of the type of equipment they fly. They want their pay based on image. I see this a lot.

So I agree experienced pilots should be paid appropriately for their experience, but what difference should it make if it's a G550 vs Citation Bravo? And like I said, you know just as well if you had to replace a pilot, you could do so very easily. And that is why, some will dig their heels in and just have to wait for the right position to come along for them. Others are going to take full advantage of the current situation, possibly creating some abuses, not only on themselves, but affect other pilots as well (pay being #1)

I don't know, I really hope for all this thing will begin to turn around soon so guys, and gals, can provide for their families.

Keep it straight and level ya'll.

 

[Fly91]

To all those who wouldn't want to help with oil changes / extra duties etc,

It may not be what you're looking for, after all seems most pilots just want to fly an airplane and get paid an incredible ammount of money for doing it, but to someone a job like that might pay their bills until something better comes along.

You know why CFOs and other management don't like pilots? Because airplanes cost money. Pilots in general do nothing to generate revenue or contribute to the bottom line. And now with the state of the economy, many organizations are trying to pinch pennies, so instead of just flying the aircraft, you might actually have to do something constructive for the company.

Pilots are a dime-a-dozen. There is nothing special about being a pilot. To management pilots are just a piece of meat in the seat, easily replaced.

When was the last time some of you went in armed with records showing where you helped the company save money. Such as where there are two FBOs on a field, one has fuel that is $1 per gallon cheaper, so you go there, and keep a log of how much money you saved by purchasing at one FBO and not the other?

I've heard many a pilot say 'Whats it matter, if they can't afford the gas, they can't afford the airplane.' Same thing with really nice hotels and SUV rental cars.

Bottom line is this, in today's economy and job market, if you're not willing to lower your standard just a little bit, and get off the GOD complex, you simply will have to wait for a job when this turns around.

Everyone knows this joke:
What's the difference between a pilot and God? God doesn't think he's a pilot.

Just food for thought. I'm not trying to rag on anybody here, just trying to open some eyes to the fact that there is no need to complain if you're not willing to even apply for the job. Someone will take the job, and that is the reality. Many have been too high on the hog in recent years and don't know how to adjust. I don't agree with flying for free or flying for currency or paying for training, but someone out there does and is willing to do these things just to get their foot in the door.

Okay anyway, rant over.

BTW, if you have questions about why a company wants 10,000TT, why don't you try to contact them directly and ask? No stupid question except the one never asked (that could be argued too LOL)

Ya'll have a great day!

Can't argue with any of that, its all spot on.


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