RE; Whatever Happened to My "FBI Profile of B19" Post? Revisted AGAIN

[skanza]

I don't see a Lear in my profile.

http://db.rambleschmack.net/images/posts/how-to-put-it/kirk-inspirational-awesome.jpg

I gotta say, this is a funny picture...

 

[fischman]

I know.

 

[ableone]

I am going to answer the question, and it is simply liability. Believe it or not we are held responsible for what could be considered slander of a member as the mods/admins of the site. I have said it before, and I am sure I will say it again, it is okay to attack ideas and philosophy's, but it is not okay to attack the member. I am not saying that this in enforced with every thread, mostly because we do not read every thread as there are simply too many, but when we do find something that we believe could put the site in jeopardy from a legal standpoint it is removed. Thanks for your feedback, and being part of our community. Fly safe.

B.S.

Slander is verbal Liable is written, but that's not the point.

Liable on an anonymous web-board?

Not actionable, therefore not believable.

Not buying it, stop selling it.

 

[netjetwife]

Seeing both sides...

Mods/admins, I understand the liability issue. I have heard my husband (an NJASAP volunteer/leader) voice the same need for caution regarding the NJ pilots' message board. However, it doesn't seem possible for the anonymous message boards to be held to the same standard. Perhaps the moderators judge the risk according to the personality of the complainer? For example, between B19 and NJW, I bet most board members would think that he is more likely to sue FI than I am. Thus his complaints (if made) see immediate action and my unofficial ones (simply made in a few posts) do not?

I realize that it isn't possible for the mods to read every post, but when there is a known source of non-compliance then I think a closer scrutiny of that poster(s) is mandated. B19 has posted numerous personal attacks against myself and others. Of even greater concern to me are his libelous statements falsely accusing NJASAP volunteers and leaders of corruption by publicly claiming that they are involved with the Union/Association only for personal gain and care nothing about the Membership or the programs, ideas, etc which the leadership promotes. NJASAP is in its first year as an independent, in-house union and their good name and industry-wide reputation is extremely important to them. They are a known group asking for the trust and respect of many people. Clearly, NJASAP has much more to lose from deliberate character attacks whose sole purpose is to discredit the organization than the anonymous B19 does from starring in satirical essays intended purely for entertainment. Thus, I ask in the name of fairness, for the mods/admins to more closely monitor posts made by known anti-union members whose posts are almost always made with the objective of destroying the credibility of NJASAP and 1108. I know that your increased vigilance would be greatly appreciated by the Union volunteers and leaders whose integrity and good reputation is important to them, personally, and on a professional basis, to the thousands of pilots they serve. Speaking of, thanks for your time and service, too. NJW

 

[Mike Jenvey]

<<<< Liable on an anonymous web-board? >>>>

Er, I think you will find that the word is LIBEL!

Be very careful, depending on the nationality of the host ISP, there are avenues that can be taken. This link lists several example of where anonymous comments have led to successful action against the forum providers........

I'm sure that there are more recent examples, but as a total outsider, I do seem to think that there is an element of bias in some of the moderation on this site.

 

[1folinepilot]

No. YOU are wrong and deeply misinformed.

The traditional NBAA staffing model is 4.2 pilots per airplane.

The current 91K rules are based on the Part 119, non-scheduled, on demand Part 135 certificate and was based on REST rules, not those conservative rules in your CBA that add an additional 1.8 pilots per airplane.

This staffing model that pre-dates Part 91K "fractional" certificates before we got together and regulated the cowboy arrogance of the Part 91 operators which had no rules.

If YOU were there when we put these rules together for your safety, you would understand the reasoning behind it. As you weren't, and it's clear since you haven't a clue as a cockpit lawyer, you should leave the hardstuff such as this to those of us that are dedicated to keeping you safe.

Just fly your airplane and let those of us that have the courage to manage do our jobs. Without us, you wouldn't have any rest rules at all and your whining would be twice as bad as it is today.

Bob, Why do you have 3.6 pilots per airplane at Flight Options? Not only do you pay below average, you staff below average as well.

 

[netjetwife]

Now why am I not surprised, 1fo... Disregard and disrespect comes through loud and clear, no matter how some managers try to cover it up with lip service and empty promises. Hang in there 1108!

Thanks for noticing, Mike. Thanks even more for voicing your opinion. NJW

 

[1folinepilot]

No. YOU are wrong and deeply misinformed.

The traditional NBAA staffing model is 4.2 pilots per airplane.

The current 91K rules are based on the Part 119, non-scheduled, on demand Part 135 certificate and was based on REST rules, not those conservative rules in your CBA that add an additional 1.8 pilots per airplane.

This staffing model that pre-dates Part 91K "fractional" certificates before we got together and regulated the cowboy arrogance of the Part 91 operators which had no rules.

If YOU were there when we put these rules together for your safety, you would understand the reasoning behind it. As you weren't, and it's clear since you haven't a clue as a cockpit lawyer, you should leave the hardstuff such as this to those of us that are dedicated to keeping you safe.

Just fly your airplane and let those of us that have the courage to manage do our jobs. Without us, you wouldn't have any rest rules at all and your whining would be twice as bad as it is today.

Bob (B19), Enlighten all of us on why you choose to operate Flight Options against the rules your formulated for safety with a staffing level of 3.6 pilots per airplane?

Your skeleton crew and equipment is looking extremely fatigued by being overworked.

 

[netjetwife]

So at a time that the FLOPs need to be attracting more owners, they're turning off the ones they do have by offering them stressed out, over-worked pilots? :erm: They're taking the ill-advised "do more with less" scheme to a new low. Sometimes you just have to drag penny-wise/pound-foolish managers into a smarter, safer way of doing business. Best Wishes to the Flight Options pilotgroup! NJW

 

[B19 Flyer]

So at a time that the FLOPs need to be attracting more owners, they're turning off the ones they do have by offering them stressed out, over-worked pilots? :erm: They're taking the ill-advised "do more with less" scheme to a new low. Sometimes you just have to drag penny-wise/pound-foolish managers into a smarter, safer way of doing business. Best Wishes to the Flight Options pilotgroup! NJW

With all of that first hand aviation experience you (don't) have, why don't you try it? See how easy it is to work for a living. You think that the Netjets pilots aren't stressed over voluntarily giving up their jobs? Golden parachutes or not, NJ pilots deserved better.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Bob (B19), Enlighten all of us on why you choose to operate Flight Options against the rules your formulated for safety with a staffing level of 3.6 pilots per airplane?

Your skeleton crew and equipment is looking extremely fatigued by being overworked.

I'm not Bob, I don't work for Flight Options.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Mods/admins, I understand the liability issue. I have heard my husband (an NJASAP volunteer/leader) voice the same need for caution regarding the NJ pilots' message board. However, it doesn't seem possible for the anonymous message boards to be held to the same standard. Perhaps the moderators judge the risk according to the personality of the complainer? For example, between B19 and NJW, I bet most board members would think that he is more likely to sue FI than I am. Thus his complaints (if made) see immediate action and my unofficial ones (simply made in a few posts) do not?

I realize that it isn't possible for the mods to read every post, but when there is a known source of non-compliance then I think a closer scrutiny of that poster(s) is mandated. B19 has posted numerous personal attacks against myself and others. Of even greater concern to me are his libelous statements falsely accusing NJASAP volunteers and leaders of corruption by publicly claiming that they are involved with the Union/Association only for personal gain and care nothing about the Membership or the programs, ideas, etc which the leadership promotes. NJASAP is in its first year as an independent, in-house union and their good name and industry-wide reputation is extremely important to them. They are a known group asking for the trust and respect of many people. Clearly, NJASAP has much more to lose from deliberate character attacks whose sole purpose is to discredit the organization than the anonymous B19 does from starring in satirical essays intended purely for entertainment. Thus, I ask in the name of fairness, for the mods/admins to more closely monitor posts made by known anti-union members whose posts are almost always made with the objective of destroying the credibility of NJASAP and 1108. I know that your increased vigilance would be greatly appreciated by the Union volunteers and leaders whose integrity and good reputation is important to them, personally, and on a professional basis, to the thousands of pilots they serve. Speaking of, thanks for your time and service, too. NJW

You have the opinion NJW that a union does a company good. I have personally witnessed extreme distress by union members that thought their union would help them and didn't. You are entitled to your opinion as an industry bystander that has never worked in the industry.

I've worked in the industry, and have a differing opinion.

Let's take the concept of a volunteer as an example.

Your husband was hired by NJ to fly airplanes. True?

His union responsibilities have pulled him off the line so he gets a stipend by the union to cover the lost wages for his time spent not flying. True?

This means that NJ is paying for his retirement, his health benefits and all the added tidbits without flying the line like he was hired to do. True?

As he is getting paid by the union for doing union work and not flying a full schedule like the rest of the pilots hired by NJ, he is a paid employee of the union and not NJ flying airplanes like he was hired to do.

This clearly means that your husband has personal gain by working for the union. This is factual.

You think that he's doing good by working for the union. I think that by not flying the line like he was hired to do, he's insulting RTS and Warren Buffet by not creating revenue as he was hired to do.

We have differing opinions, but no matter what you state and how you twist it.. you cannot under any circumstances tell me or anybody else on this board that your husband was hired by Netjets to volunteer to work for the union.

He was hired to fly airplanes. Pure and simple.

You can't handle the truth that this is simply stating facts.

One last thought... you would do anything to muzzle me and all other board members that dislike unions because I tell the ugly truth about unions what unions really are. You didn't think that NJ could ever do what is happening now and I've been saying it could happen for years.

 

[waka]

His union responsibilities have pulled him off the line so he gets a stipend by the union to cover the lost wages for his time spent not flying. True?

This means that NJ is paying for his retirement, his health benefits and all the added tidbits without flying the line like he was hired to do. True?

As he is getting paid by the union for doing union work and not flying a full schedule like the rest of the pilots hired by NJ, he is a paid employee of the union and not NJ flying airplanes like he was hired to do.

This clearly means that your husband has personal gain by working for the union. This is factual.

You think that he's doing good by working for the union. I think that by not flying the line like he was hired to do, he's insulting RTS and Warren Buffet by not creating revenue as he was hired to do.

We have differing opinions, but no matter what you state and how you twist it.. you cannot under any circumstances tell me or anybody else on this board that your husband was hired by Netjets to volunteer to work for the union.

He was hired to fly airplanes. Pure and simple.

You can't handle the truth that this is simply stating facts.

One last thought... you would do anything to muzzle me and all other board members that dislike unions because I tell the ugly truth about unions what unions really are. You didn't think that NJ could ever do what is happening now and I've been saying it could happen for years.

Another pointless post by the infamous B19. Netjets SIGNED the contract that provided for her husband to work for the union.

This is a very common stipulation in union contracts. For someone that claims they know so much about labor relations, you sure look stupid.

You can't handle the truth that this is simply stating facts.

No, it is you that can't handle the truth and you're certainly not stating any facts. Just because you're stupid enough to fall for the same type of obfuscation that you dish out doesn't mean everyone will fall for it.

Just a reminder; Because of your incessant cowardice, lack of ethics, lies and deceit, I suggest that you follow the example of your suicidal friend. You'd be doing yourself and everyone else a favor.

 

[brokeflyer]

NJ pilots deserved better.

yesterday we are the cause of all evil on the planet....today we deserved better....lol

whatever

 

[BeeDubya]

NOTICE:

As is often the case, B19 has his/her facts wrong about NJ and the disposition of Union representatives, specifically NJW's husband. As has been the case when talking about the inner workings of NJ and NJASAP, B19 is not even close.

Fraternally,
Brian Ward
NJASAP Steward