ATT UNION MECs: Why is Congress "STUNNED to learn" About Low Pilot Pay & Rest?

[Voice Of Reason]

~~~~~~~>pass it on! <~~~~~~~~~~

The question to all is...
Do you prefer simply accepting/perpetuating the status quo? How do you --->(AND YOUR *UNION LEADERS*) <--- plan to promote change for the better, rather than just whining about how things will never change?

Do your union leaders promote PILOT interests, or are they simply a vehicle for management's interests (via Ford & Harrison tactics)?

If there is exorbitant $ to pay mgt and F&H there is $ to pay pilots as PROFESSIONALS and NO OTHER EXCUSES can be made!

Apathy helps NO pilot!

DEMAND your union leaders earn their EXTRAORDINARILY FUNDED keep!

To add to this, you may also need to review who you've elected to represent you!

Some things to consider:

Are there an inordinate number of military individuals collecting 2nd incomes who may not feel the pay pinch as much as they need to?

Is there a balance of MOTIVATED people who are on the JUNIOR end of the seniority list?

Do your reps and leaders regularly FLY THE LINE or are they isolated in an office most of the time?

Are special leadership meetings held in bases, or are they held at exotic locations or locations convenient to the leaders?

CLEAN HOUSE if needed and get the right people in! VOLUNTEER and fight for these positions if you are a strong, MOTIVATED individual who is well versed in the tactics of Ford & Harrison! If we do this ALL over the industry, things can only change for the better!

Unions were not created to HELP management!

 

[PCL_128]

Why is Congress "STUNNED to learn" About Low Pilot Pay & Rest?

They aren't; but the public is, so they have to pretend that they are, too. Welcome to politics.

Want this to change? Get involved in your union. When ALPA asks you to march on the Washington Mall, instead of the same 50 union reps that always show up, we need thousands of pilots to show up. We need tens of thousands of pilots calling and emailing their congressional representatives. We need thousands of pilots contributing to ALPA-PAC. Getting the drift here? Asking your union leaders to do something won't fix the problem. The union leaders have been doing something, but they have no leverage without the backing of their members.

 

[Ben Franklin]

Oh the hypocrisy!

There are plenty of advertisements on this website where you can get cheap type ratings, cheaper training and be in the right seat of an airliner in a few months if you attend the puppy mill...

Good luck solving the problem via the message boards!

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[Voice Of Reason]

There are plenty of advertisements on this website where you can get cheap type ratings, cheaper training and be in the right seat of an airliner in a few months if you attend the puppy mill...

Good luck solving the problem via the message boards!

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

What specifically are YOU (and other posters of similar ilk, apathy, and distractive other themes) doing to solve it? I assume this post isn't all?

 

[jonjuan]

what specifically are you (and other posters of similar ilk, apathy, and distractive other themes) doing to solve it? I assume this post isn't all?

more billboards, dammit!

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

I just wish someone would ask an airline CEO why they need "retention bonuses" if pay isn't important in keeping skilled employees around.

 

[Ben Franklin]

What specifically are YOU (and other posters of similar ilk, apathy, and distractive other themes) doing to solve it? I assume this post isn't all?

Oh no.... I have over 32 screen names on over 17 and a half avaition message boards besides this one. I'm doing my part to change the profession. It's working, no?

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[Erlanger]

Wasn't it McCain who said a year or so ago that he thought pilots made too much money?

 

[ThisistheDream]

If they try and enforce a FAR saying you can not commute to work then fly, I guess the FAA will also have to impose a rule saying that a pilot CANNOT have any new born babies in your house or cannot live by noisy neighbors or cannot live within 30 miles of a loud airport or by people who have loud barking dogs all night. When I commute I will get just as much rest if not more than being at home getting woke up every 2 or 3 hours with a new born and young kids who dont sleep.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

Thought exercise:

1) Imagine if ALPA did NOT represent the regionals right now. What do you think they'd be saying about the situation?

2) Now ask yourself, since they do represent the regionals, would it make what they said in situation 1 any less true?

Nu

 

[PCL_128]

1) Imagine if ALPA did NOT represent the regionals right now. What do you think they'd be saying about the situation?

I don't think they'd be saying anything different. Remember, many ALPA leaders, including your own, from what I hear, believe that the regionals are beneficial to the majors because of reduced costs and increased revenue generation. It's not something that I agree with, but it does seem to be a widespread opinion among senior mainline pilots. Until we cure the senior guys of this faulty thought process and start getting reps to focus on single lists and eliminating outsourcing, if won't matter who represents the regionals.

 

[Lear70]

Wasn't it McCain who said a year or so ago that he thought pilots made too much money?

Believe it or not, that was November of 2000. I flew him to Mississippi about two weeks after he said that. He came up to the cockpit in flight to ask how things were going... I told him they'd be just dandy, if I actually made 6 figures as a Lear Captain like he evidently thought we did. He sat back down.

Oh the hypocrisy!
There are plenty of advertisements on this website where you can get cheap type ratings, cheaper training and be in the right seat of an airliner in a few months if you attend the puppy mill...

Good luck solving the problem via the message boards!

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

OK, that's funny.

 

[WayBack]

Has anyone ever thought about sending the details of a "Industry leading contract" to one of these politcians?
I'm sure they'd get a kick out what ALPO negotiates.

 

[B-atch]

If they try and enforce a FAR saying you can not commute to work then fly, I guess the FAA will also have to impose a rule saying that a pilot CANNOT have any new born babies in your house or cannot live by noisy neighbors or cannot live within 30 miles of a loud airport or by people who have loud barking dogs all night. When I commute I will get just as much rest if not more than being at home getting woke up every 2 or 3 hours with a new born and young kids who dont sleep.

The FAA also considers a business class seat as an adequate rest facility for augmented crew flights. You probably get more rest on a FedEx seat on a night commute.

 

[barnyard]

Believe it or not, that was November of 2000. I flew him to Mississippi about two weeks after he said that. He came up to the cockpit in flight to ask how things were going... I told him they'd be just dandy, if I actually made 6 figures as a Lear Captain like he evidently thought we did. He sat back down.

Now That's how you treat your paying passengers!!

Well Played!

not

 

[se1776]

at the end is not the campanies fault.


Is the mama's boys and girls out there on the field

 

[Lear70]

Now That's how you treat your paying passengers!!

Well Played!

not

I have a desk full of written letters of commendation, both in the charter world and the 121 world, for my customer service. That said, I don't pander. I don't kiss a$$. Yes, you can provide good customer service without doing either.

He's a public servant. If he doesn't like what I have to say, he can suck it up or walk away. He chose Option B.

Incidentally, we had two problems on that flight, both handled perfectly, and his office sent me a thank-you letter that I'm sure he had some staffer sign for him. I gave it to my girlfriend, our company dispatcher, who was a big McCain fan.

Obviously it didn't ruffle his feathers that much.

 

[Morning Wood]

I don't think they'd be saying anything different. Remember, many ALPA leaders, including your own, from what I hear, believe that the regionals are beneficial to the majors because of reduced costs and increased revenue generation. It's not something that I agree with, but it does seem to be a widespread opinion among senior mainline pilots. Until we cure the senior guys of this faulty thought process and start getting reps to focus on single lists and eliminating outsourcing, if won't matter who represents the regionals.

You apparently believed in it enough to apply to and work for one. Why is it not okay now?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You apparently believed in it enough to apply to and work for one. Why is it not okay now?

What is the alternative?

 

[Morning Wood]

What is the alternative?

The alternative to what?