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LCC will have absolutely no liability for any actions that occurred prior to the acceptance of the reorganization plan by the bankruptcy court. This will just line the pockets of USAPA's attorneys with dues $
 
Hey BeCareful.........

BeCareful......The DFR lawsuit with damages is likely to bankrupt your beloved USAPA.

You can blame ALPA for all of USAir's past woes, but your elected officials (and self appointed USAPA dictators), are and were people at your airline. You can change the name, but you cant change the stupidiy of your leaders.

Captairbusbb

Who's blaming ALPA for "all of USAir's past woes"? Oh, wait, I recognize this.....this is typical rhetoric spewed on the Internet.

I blame ALPA for what they did, and, importantly, what they didn't do. Plain and simple. Now, the mess needs cleaning. If USAPA goes bankrupt in that process, as you hope and claim, then so be it. It's still the right thing to do.

FWIW, the people running USAPA are not the old ALPA fags that gave everything away and then some. BUT, and here's a warning for all, many of those losers and guys who think like them are trying like hell to take over USAPA. If they succeed, we'll be back to the old concession stand open 24/7 to management, only this time they will be giving away stuff for both groups!

Ask Doug Mowery about his stance on a 99 hour pay cap, and while you're at it ask him why he brought us LOA93. Then ask yourself if you want this guy running the show.
 
Good luck, sorry you only have USAPA on your side. This is one example that ALPA's deeper resources would probably be to your advantage.

Yeah...right...

Quote..."Take a deal...any deal"--former US Airways MEC member to the negotiating committee.

What a proud moment in ALPA history

Sign on baby stroller..."Let my daddy vote".

This on the stroller of the child of an ALPA member picketing their MEC. Why? they didn't want the MEC to do their due diligence....they just wanted to vote.

And, true to form...the "Give Away Gang" (GAG) gave it away.
 
Both of these examples show poor decision making at the LOCAL carrier level, not at the NATIONAL level. 95% of "ALPA" is done by the people around you on your seniority list, not the knuckleheads in Herndon. Many of the problems and ALL of the solutions for your ALPA reside on your seniority list.

The "GAG" were not ALPA, they were/are US Airways pilots.

Yeah...right...

Quote..."Take a deal...any deal"--former US Airways MEC member to the negotiating committee.

What a proud moment in ALPA history

Sign on baby stroller..."Let my daddy vote".

This on the stroller of the child of an ALPA member picketing their MEC. Why? they didn't want the MEC to do their due diligence....they just wanted to vote.

And, true to form...the "Give Away Gang" (GAG) gave it away.
 
LCC will have absolutely no liability for any actions that occurred prior to the acceptance of the reorganization plan by the bankruptcy court. This will just line the pockets of USAPA's attorneys with dues $
Methinks people are missing the importance of a few things:

1. If Seagull knew about the ERISA funding level, and it can be proven he, or employees acting on his instructions, deliberately pulled money out of the fund before handing it over to the PBGC, he is PERSONALLY liable.

2. If Seagull or others are found to have deliberately done so, it's a criminal charge in a time when major CEO's are under HUGE scrutiny for "improper behavior" of finances toward the rank-and-file employees. Not a good time to get hauled up on charges for major corporate leaders.

3. TORT law may specifically allow for the UAir employees to go back and sue the federal government for failure to accomplish due dilligence in determining the ERISA funding level for the UAir pension plan. They can't sue the judge personally (protected by Tort Law), but there might be wiggle room in general liability of process of the bankruptcy court. In other words, that $1.4 Billion *MIGHT* come from the U.S. government, IF the bankruptcy judge simply took the word of the executives in the hearings rather than having every financial transaction in and out of the pension fund over the past 2-3 years analyzed PRIOR to deciding it was insolvent and handing it over to the PBGC and it's the PROCESS written by the bankruptcy COURT that caused the funds to be missed.

It certainly wouldn't carry through the bankruptcy process into the AW/LCC purchase agreement. AW won't carry any liability moving forward for a debt discharged by the bankruptcy judge. The only hopes for the UAir pilots affected is that the U.S. government is found negligent through process and has to make the fund whole.

Oh boy, imagine the next thread topic: USAirways retiree stimulus package. :rolleyes:
 
So then....Uhmmm...what is national there for, besides a shiny magazine. I would obviously be wrong, But my understanding of having a "Mother Ship" is to make sure the children running the asylum don't make a jail break. I.E. Why is every contract and LOA signed by the PRESIDENT OF ALPA. he's gotta approve it right??? So uhmmmm....ya ....

whatever, ALPA has failed in their charter. Plain and simple. Yes the union is of it's members. BUT when those in charge have taken over and neutered the ability of the members to recall and such, what is one to do. Get rid of the union.

why oh why did ALPA spend more money on trying to keep the USAir pilots in the fold, then they did trying to save our pension?????

Oh that's right. The usair pilots did it all......
 
If they succeed, we'll be back to the old concession stand open 24/7 to management, only this time they will be giving away stuff for both groups!
Psst, they (USAPA) already are. They're eviscerating the AWA contract one giveaway at a time. Their hope is that once they gut the contract (Bradford's warped sense of "parity") the company will just have to give them something in return. They just HAVE to!

While you like to believe that APA supports USAPA, can you cite where they (APA) have agreed to participate in binding arbitration, then circumvented that agreement when the results didn't suit them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting the eyerolls I get from pilots from other airlines when USAPA is mentioned, I think there's much less support for the Integrity-Challellenged F/O Club than you think.

And lastly, please, guys, see the "We're getting our pension back" campaign for what it is: A DISTRACTION, designed to take the focus off USAPA's inability to negotiate a contract because management doesn't take these fools seriously. I wish it was something of substance, but it isn't.
 
AAA MEC promised permanent separate operations and USAPA has obliged (in the abscence of actually being able to accomplish something productive).
 

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