The making of a Delta flagship

[Russ]

Why didn't they change the N number over to a Delta N number?

Many Western Airlines planes still carry original N numbers as oppossed to DAL ones and that merger was completed in 1987

 

[a320drivr]

That is just d a m n sad. I am born and raised MSP and I hate to see NWA go.

 

[AvroGuy]

doesn't it cost money to change N numbers?

 

[crj567]

Look again. It was stripped except for part of the tail. Will still carry the Red Tail.

That is just the latest version of the "widget." #23 or so I think is the iteration we are on.......

 

[Clacker]

One boring paint job to another. Mourning the cheatline.

Yeah, I wish they would go back to the classic paint job. The cheatline and black radome was timeless.

Maybe they'll revive it one day.

 

[jetflier]

Technical Characteristics -- Boeing 747-400

747-400 Passengers
Typical 3-class configuration
Typical 2-class configuration
416
524 Cargo* 6,025 cu ft (170.5 cu m) or
5,332 cu ft (151 cu m) Engines
maximum thrust Pratt & Whitney PW4062
63,300 lb (281.57 kN)

Rolls-Royce RB211-524H2-T
59,500 lb (264.67 kN)

General Electric CF6-80C2B5F
62,100 lb (276.23 kN) Maximum Fuel Capacity 57,285 U.S. gal (216,840 L) Maximum Takeoff Weight 875,000 lb (396,890 kg) Maximum Range 7,260 nautical miles (13,450 km)
Typical city pairs:
Los Angeles - Hong Kong
Los Angeles - Sydney
Singapore - London Typical Cruise Speed
at 35,000 feet 0.85 Mach
567 mph (913 km/h) Basic Dimensions
Wing Span
Overall Length
Tail Height
Interior Cabin Width
211 ft 5 in (64.4 m)
231 ft 10 in (70.6 m)
63 ft 8 in (19.4 m)
20 ft (6.1 m) *6,025 cu ft (170.5 cu m) = 30 LD-1 containers; 5,332 cu ft (151 cu m) = 5 pallets, 14 LD-1 containers + bulk (one pallet = 96 in x 125 in/244 cm x 318 cm)

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I saw it today in Narita, when you see it in person it actually doesn't look all that bad

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Are you sure about that? The last thing I heard that they are planning to transistion to dal rules, bidding etc (the elusive BP5) starting with the 400 in the fall and the rest shortly thereafter. So, unless SOC were to happen before late this year, I would think BP 1 is going to be soon. I am sure I will be corrected, as I am frequently wrong, at least that is what the wife says.

As far as the company is concerned, bid period 1 wont start till SOC.

 

[clippyrip]

Are you sure about that? The last thing I heard that they are planning to transistion to dal rules, bidding etc (the elusive BP5) starting with the 400 in the fall and the rest shortly thereafter. So, unless SOC were to happen before late this year, I would think BP 1 is going to be soon. I am sure I will be corrected, as I am frequently wrong, at least that is what the wife says.

I've heard SOC may be sometime at the end of 09'. But that is just FI talk.

I will tell you this......There is a significant savings for the company if they stall BP5. At BP5 they will have to match current Delta staffing rigs and that costs the company money. Why wouldn't they bask in the ambiguity of the illusive BP1 and enjoy a short term B scale with no end date. There is no incentive for them to hurry up and start BP1, hence it is still not here.

 

[crj567]

Technical Characteristics -- Boeing 747-400

747-400 Passengers
Typical 3-class configuration
Typical 2-class configuration
416
524 Cargo* 6,025 cu ft (170.5 cu m) or
5,332 cu ft (151 cu m) Engines
maximum thrust Pratt & Whitney PW4062
63,300 lb (281.57 kN)

Rolls-Royce RB211-524H2-T
59,500 lb (264.67 kN)

General Electric CF6-80C2B5F
62,100 lb (276.23 kN) Maximum Fuel Capacity 57,285 U.S. gal (216,840 L) Maximum Takeoff Weight 875,000 lb (396,890 kg) Maximum Range 7,260 nautical miles (13,450 km)
Typical city pairs:
Los Angeles - Hong Kong
Los Angeles - Sydney
Singapore - London Typical Cruise Speed
at 35,000 feet 0.85 Mach
567 mph (913 km/h) Basic Dimensions
Wing Span
Overall Length
Tail Height
Interior Cabin Width
211 ft 5 in (64.4 m)
231 ft 10 in (70.6 m)
63 ft 8 in (19.4 m)
20 ft (6.1 m) *6,025 cu ft (170.5 cu m) = 30 LD-1 containers; 5,332 cu ft (151 cu m) = 5 pallets, 14 LD-1 containers + bulk (one pallet = 96 in x 125 in/244 cm x 318 cm)

I think this thread can now grant the "huge numbnut dork" award to the above poster.....

-Congrats!

P.S.- Yes, we have all heard of this exotic, mystical creature known as the "747." A little late to that game, chief!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

One boring paint job to another. Mourning the cheatline.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, wastes money better then Delta management.

 

[waka]

They should have come up with a brand new paint scheme that preserves some elements of Northwest.

Delta's current paint scheme.....yawn.

 

[bri5150]

They should have come up with a brand new paint scheme that preserves some elements of Northwest.

Delta's current paint scheme.....yawn.

Um, didn't you see the merger happening after Delta came up with THIS paint job? Pretty obvious. A lot of red on tail with the crooked widget, one side pointing to the NW.

 

[waka]

Um, didn't you see the merger happening after Delta came up with THIS paint job? Pretty obvious. A lot of red on tail with the crooked widget, one side pointing to the NW.

um, that paint scheme came out in late 2007, well before the intent to merge announcement. One would think that an airline would make sure that a merger is approved before changing the paint.

No, it isn't obvious at all. The widget just happens to be at an angle. Even if that was the intent, it's a pretty lame effort as there is zero suggestion of anything reminiscent of NWA.

 

[NuGuy]

um, that paint scheme came out in late 2007, well before the intent to merge announcement. One would think that an airline would make sure that a merger is approved before changing the paint.

No, it isn't obvious at all. The widget just happens to be at an angle. Even if that was the intent, it's a pretty lame effort as there is zero suggestion of anything reminiscent of NWA.

The plans for this merger were in place WELL before late 2007.

They were probably in place on the Bankruptcy Courthouse steps.

Nu

 

[Muff-N-Man]

Heck of alot better than the gay-pride beach towel.

 

[bri5150]

um, that paint scheme came out in late 2007, well before the intent to merge announcement. One would think that an airline would make sure that a merger is approved before changing the paint.

No, it isn't obvious at all. The widget just happens to be at an angle. Even if that was the intent, it's a pretty lame effort as there is zero suggestion of anything reminiscent of NWA.

I distinctly remember seeing the new paint job for the first time, shortly after it came out. My first thought was, "wow, looks like an NWA tail".

 

[licorice]

The plans for this merger were in place WELL before late 2007.

They were probably in place on the Bankruptcy Courthouse steps.

Nu

NO,NO,No, NuGuy! I say the paintjobs were strictly pre-merger! -And as such, should have been enjoyed only by the pilot group that "brought" them to the merger! You will be flying around in one of those fancy new paintjobs some day soon, and you will have the DAL pilots to thank for it! -In fact, I believe the arbitrators gave you guys a paintjob WINDFALL!!!!!

 

[licorice]

Look at the hits NW has taken: -lower pay because of loss of time-and-a-half above 80 hrs, more favorable trip duty rigs, but a "B" scale on the rigs until 6 bid periods after SOC, (18 months from now)- "B" scale on company DC contributions, loss of all 747 freighter flying by the end of the year, loss of Narita flying to the DL 767ER, a much more rationalized DL seniority list (because of the recent displacement) where the widebody flying at DL is not so "junior" anymore, and....it seems like there was something else.....Oh yeah, I almost forgot.....-thousands of younger and more senior DAL WB pilots waiting in the wings to soak up all that NW attrition, and gobble up any and all new A330 flying that, if by happenstance in the near future, offers up it's very alluring and enticing, European-flying-out-of-ATL-and-JFK-with-a-horizontal-sleeping-facility self. It wouldn't have been this bad, but no, you had to go for the "home run" -you just had to have the benefits of OUR new paintjob, that we bought and paid for before this merger. And now I understand you're bringing DC-9s out of the desert and THEY will even have OUR new paintjobs!!...some guys get all the breaks....