50 Aircraft?

[o2bflyn]

IMHO,

For the next 90 days beginning with the weekend before inauguration day ... I think we need every plane we've got.

Thats as far as the crystal ball can see ....

That is the best crystal ball I have ever heard of. I like what it has to say though.

 

[gunfyter]

That could be.... and would we delay replacing them?

 

[o2bflyn]

Cold it be that the rumors B19 referred to were the Ultras? How many of those are left? About 50?

For those not in the know, the Ultra is being retired at NJA. They are being replaced with the Encore+.

that makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[theskyking]

...and some of the old XL's being replaced by XLS+. ...and some of the old 800's being replaced by 900's. Lots of old airplanes being put to rest while we bring new ones on board. With the way the private jet market is right now, some of these old airplanes could be "parked" for a while until a buyer is found.

 

[fischman]

That could be.... and would we delay replacing them?

I really hope not. Many of them had +12,000 hours on them when I left the fleet this summer. They look it too.

 

[CALRepublic]

I really hope not. Many of them had +12,000 hours on them when I left the fleet this summer. They look it too.

according to this article, Cessna is laying off a bunch of people, there's a comment on there about NJA delaying some orders. Maybe we're parking the older Ultras and not replacing right away.


Cessna could lay off more than 1,000

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BY MOLLY MCMILLIN

The Wichita Eagle

Cessna Aircraft warned employees Tuesday to brace for job cuts, the second time in two months that Wichita's largest employer has announced layoffs.
The company said it is assessing how many additional jobs will be cut as it readjusts its 2009 production plan downward.

However, sources with knowledge of the situation said they expect the number in this round of cuts to reach 1,000 or more.

"We're going through the assessment right now," Cessna spokesman Bob Stangarone said early Tuesday evening. "It has not been determined yet."
Last month, Cessna issued 60-day layoff notices to about 500 Wichita employees and another 165 in Bend, Ore. Cessna employs about 12,000 people in Wichita.

Sources also said that more layoffs are coming at Hawker Beechcraft as well. That has not been confirmed by the company.

In November, Hawker Beechcraft cut 5 percent of its work force, about 490 jobs, because of the slowing economy.

Boeing Wichita also said in November that it plans to lay off 25 percent of its employees, about 800 people, as current programs wind down.
The economy continues to affect Cessna with order cancellations and deferrals, chief executive Jack Pelton told employees in a memo Tuesday.
"As the global economic crisis has continued to deepen, we have to further reduce the 2009 production schedule, and this will regrettably result in additional workforce reductions," Pelton said in the memo.

"As soon as we finalize our revised 2009 production plan, we will communicate what the implications are for our company."

Last year was marked by two distinct and contrasting halves, Pelton said.
Cessna delivered a record number of aircraft in 2008, orders were strong, and the company planned for growth for this year and next.

"The first half was full of promise for the future," he said.

By the third quarter, Citation orders dropped significantly.

Fractional ownership company NetJets, a major Cessna customer, deferred a "significant number" of planes scheduled for delivery this year, Pelton said.

 

[fischman]

That sucks for the Cessna folks.

I have a High School friend who is a pharmacist in Wichita, and she said that the housing market there already is bad. It is going to get worse with 500+ out of work. There really isn't that much industry in ICT for those folks to find new work. Good luck to all.

 

[btodd77]

Fisch,
I believe we have on the order of 45 Ultras left. Just dropped one off in LUK the other day that was getting sold. They were going to be ripping the engines off that night.

 

[cherry20's]

Did you guys notice that B19 just posted flamebait and hasn't posted since... I personally think its all BS. That sucks for the Cessna folks though!

 

[FLYLOW22]

That sucks for the Cessna folks.

I have a High School friend who is a pharmacist in Wichita, and she said that the housing market there already is bad. It is going to get worse with 500+ out of work. There really isn't that much industry in ICT for those folks to find new work. Good luck to all.

But they have a GREAT Mexican Restaurant!!

 

[fischman]

Really???

WHERE???????

 

[CALRepublic]

Did you guys notice that B19 just posted flamebait and hasn't posted since... I personally think its all BS. That sucks for the Cessna folks though!

I don't know man, reading the article I posted-

"Fractional ownership company NetJets, a major Cessna customer, deferred a "significant number" of planes scheduled for delivery this year, Pelton said",

and we're parking the older Ultras, getting a little nervous here. Time will tell I guess

 

[B19 Flyer]

Did you guys notice that B19 just posted flamebait and hasn't posted since... I personally think its all BS. That sucks for the Cessna folks though!

Not BS... first, note that I rarely start threads and I never post rumors. This came from a BH consultant that works in the arena of NJ, FSI and the two aviation insurance companies. It seemed too important to ignore, came from a person I consider a credible enough source to wonder if anybody else had heard anything of it. That's all, and wondering how true it was. This was new as of yesterday morning.

 

[jonjuan]

Did you guys notice that B19 just posted flamebait and hasn't posted since... I personally think its all BS. That sucks for the Cessna folks though!

No kidding. I think B19 is "Jack Pelton" in the above article spreading rumors.

 

[flyipilot]

Sorry to hear about the Cessna workers. It is not unusual (even though it sucks) that when ever a downturn the aircraft builders always lay off in the hundreds..then when it picks up they hire them all back. Boeing does this ALL the time. Makes the job almost seasonal. But, it stinks. I hope it is a short layoff for each of them.

As for NJ parking planes, I doubt it since we do not own any of them. The ONLY way to park a plane is to exhaust the plane of its owners. By selling the share or the owner foreclosing on it. We have had a few shares bought or given back but I heard it was about 4 planes worth. Planes sitting around do not mean a thing in this business. It means the owners are just not flying. They are still being managed and still "owned" by someone. We are not a charter or an airline. We do not have to keep them moving.

We need to have the faith and support of our management and RTS in steering us through this rough time. It does not seem too slow after mid Jan with more than 18 days a month at 400+ flts a day and a lot of 500+.

So, why start, spread, or discuss a "rumor". It is like worring about when you are going to die. Until it happens, enjoy life and work hard at your job. Because you can't do anything about either.

 

[o2bflyn]

Did you guys notice that B19 just posted flamebait and hasn't posted since... I personally think its all BS. That sucks for the Cessna folks though!

Man...you had to say it!

 

[brokeflyer]

I know the truth, but I won;t comment about internal company business on a public message board.

sorry b19....you;ll have to wait for the AIN article

 

[FLYLOW22]

Really???

WHERE???????

Dude! It's just a short walk and around the corner!

 

[FLYLOW22]

Not BS... first, note that I rarely start threads and I never post rumors. This came from a BH consultant that works in the arena of NJ, FSI and the two aviation insurance companies. It seemed too important to ignore, came from a person I consider a credible enough source to wonder if anybody else had heard anything of it. That's all, and wondering how true it was. This was new as of yesterday morning.

Did you ever work for Pan Am or US Airways in Maintenance or Operations?

 

[o2bflyn]

I know the truth, but I won;t comment about internal company business on a public message board.

sorry b19....you;ll have to wait for the AIN article

Then maybe you should have refrained from posting. What is the point if you are not going to say anything.....just trying to rub it in?