Colgan votes in ALPA!

[N2264J]

Good luck guys... the support and resources are there, you just need to take the lead....

In an ironic ejaculation of bad timing, the Atlas & Polar pilots announced yesterday that they're voting "no confidence" with their feet and leaving ALPA.

Man, it's got to be a hard life for the ALPA cheerleader.

In a representation election for the combined group of Atlas Air and Polar Air Cargo pilots, the Teamsters were selected as their new collective bargaining agents following that organization’s filing of authorization cards and request for an NMB election.

 

[DoinTime]

In an ironic ejaculation of bad timing, the Atlas & Polar pilots announced yesterday that they're voting "no confidence" with their feet and leaving ALPA.

Man, it's got to be a hard life for the ALPA cheerleader.

I think its more fair to say that only the Atlas pilots voted to leave ALPA. Unfortunately, that backstabbing traitor David Bourne poisoned the well over there.

 

[sweptback]

In an ironic ejaculation of bad timing, the Atlas & Polar pilots announced yesterday that they're voting "no confidence" with their feet and leaving ALPA.

Man, it's got to be a hard life for the ALPA cheerleader.

I think it's fair to say that more airline pilot groups have decertified Teamsters than certified them in recent times.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

In an ironic ejaculation of bad timing, the Atlas & Polar pilots announced yesterday that they're voting "no confidence" with their feet and leaving ALPA.

Man, it's got to be a hard life for the ALPA cheerleader.

It sure is.... and it is an easy life being a biased union buster... you just wait for the faults to show up and act like a "whistle blower". Hey look at me folks, look what I found! A union made a mistake!

Any human organization is going to have faults....

Colgan pilots achieved what they set out to do and you show up to crap about the place....

If Colgan pilots are learning one thing from this thread its the fight is both internal and external. It shouldn't be that way, but tools like you make it so....

Thanks for blowing the whistle.....

 

[Scope out RJ's]

In an ironic ejaculation of bad timing, the Atlas & Polar pilots announced yesterday that they're voting "no confidence" with their feet and leaving ALPA.

Speaking of ejaculation.....How are you and JoeMerchant getting along with Dan these days?

Man, it's got to be a hard life for the ALPA cheerleader.

Even harder for the rjdc!

 

[CopilotDoug]

It sure is.... and it is an easy life being a biased union buster... you just wait for the faults to show up and act like a "whistle blower". Hey look at me folks, look what I found! A union made a mistake!

Any human organization is going to have faults....

Colgan pilots achieved what they set out to do and you show to crap about the place....

Thanks for blowing the whistle.....

Rez, in all seriousness, does ALPA point out it's downsides and flaws when courting a prospect pilot group?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez, in all seriousness, does ALPA point out it's downsides and flaws when courting a prospect pilot group?

Yes. I spoke directly with Colgan organizers about the campaign and what the issues were....

In addition,


Quote:

Originally Posted by coolyokeluke
Read "Flying the Line" sometime. Sure it's pro-labor but you might get an understanding of how things were before pilots had any representation.
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Actually it isn't pro labor. George Hopkins initially wrote The Airline Pilots: A Study in Elite Unionization, 1971. He was asked by ALPA to write Flying the Line Vol. I, 1982. An incredible read with some dry spots. However required for anyone who gives 1.95% of their income.

Hopkins was asked again to write the second part, published in 2000, which included deregulation. You think Lorenzo was bad? Read about EL Cord. Also CR Smith whom AMR has named thier beloved museum after.


With copy of Vol II in hand turn to page XII of the Preface.

Hopkins, the books' author writes




Quote:

JJ O'Donnell [then ALPA's president] asked me to write another history commemorating the unions 50th anniversary. With the understanding that I would give ALPA its history "warts and all," I agreed.

The result was Flying the Line; the First Half Century of the Airline Pilots Association, published in 1982. My interpretation of ALPA's history was not censored. I work for Western Illionis University specifically and for an abstraction called history" generally. Although frankly nervous about the book, O'Donnell understood that prettified "court history" praising the King (so to speak) would be worthless. If pilots were to derive insight from my book, it had to be free to go wherever truth took it.

Hopkins placed his academic career on writing the truth and not being a chump.


Contact your LEC rep and ask for a copy. He might be able to get a complimentary copy. If not what is $10.

Then you can read about how pilots showed up for work, only to be met by an armed guard who escorted them to a company official. This company official handed the pilot both a resignation and an employment application....at a lower wage! (Vol I, chapter 6, page 48)

Coming to work nowadays isn't so bad.


Need more? Read 'When the Airlines Went to War' In this book you will read how Air Line Pilots disregarded thier labor contracts during WWII to 'transport the army and navy' and how the airlines trained Navigators, Pilots and mechanics by the thousands. The required rapid mobilzation of America's Air Power would have never happened if it wasn't for the US Airlines.

You'll earn a new respect for Airports like LGA and DCA, commonly refered to as sh1tholes by the ignorant. LGA and DCA have more history, culture and character than most of us....

Pride in being an Air Line Pilot is not popular right now, but you'll find it in these books...

 

[DX Rick]

Yes. I spoke directly with Colgan organizers about the campaign and what the issues were....

What all did you tell them? and did you make sure they relayed the same exact message to the pilot group? Or why not just tell the pilots yourself, just to make sure you're giving them all the honest facts about ALPA. You do want them to make an educated decision, right?

 

[N2264J]

It sure is....and it is an easy life being a biased union buster...

Me? Union buster? I think you may be overstating my awesome powers. I just got the same Email ALPA wired to the other 53,000 pilots so it's not exactly a secret.

No hyperbolic, hysterical Rez, I'm just some guy on an anonymous webboard. ALPA is doing this to itself.

 

[Nevets]

What all did you tell them? and did you make sure they relayed the same exact message to the pilot group? Or why not just tell the pilots yourself, just to make sure you're giving them all the honest facts about ALPA. You do want them to make an educated decision, right?

The downside to ALPA or any union is that its run by humans. That is why people say that a union is only as good as its membership. Unfortunately, this is why internal organization is always needed.