Mesaba getting 15 more CRJ's out of ATL

[flap operator]

We all know this is an evolving, cyclical and fluid industry. Practices of the past are not dictating how airlines operate today and into the future. While cost + agreements were balanced with wholly owned partners in the past, I think mainlines have realized how idiotic a cost + agreement is. Especially the bit about paying for their fuel and guaranteeing a profit, even if it means a loss for mainline.

 

[Smarta$$]

Dream on. If they give Mesaba and Comair the bulk of the contract flying, DL gives up their leverage during contract negotiations.

If it is such a good idea, why has DL and AA talked about selling Comair and Eagle? Why did NW spin off Pinnacle a few years back? Surely they knew they were not paying a middle man when they owned them.

And this whole fuel arguement is rediculous. Who payes ALL of Mesabas fuel? Who Payes ALL of Pinnacles fuel? Any difference? Nope.

 

[777forever]

ASA needs to get their costs in line with the competition or they won't be around soon. One way or the other, ASA needs to be more competitive.

Is anyone else sick of hearing these "pat on the back" messages from management and not getting anything in return. More people need to call/write/e-mail/ask face to face to BH "if our performance is this good, why aren't we seeing growth?"

15 900s, now thats some massive growth. Look around the industry, where's all the growth that we're missing out on? Industry wide regional aircraft numbers will shrink. The only growth will be from shifting aircraft around between carriers.

Our best chance at growth within the DCI system is if one of the cheaper operators royally screws up performance in ATL and Delta realizes you get what you pay for and switches the flying to us. We're already starting to see this with 9E's recent performance.

ASA not going to be around? Are you kidding? Skywest Inc has almost a billion in the bank. They can outlast any regional out there. Which leads to our best chance at growth. 5 years from now Skywest Inc will be here. Not all the regionals operating today will be. Our best chance at growth will be to move in and takeover when these regionals go bankrupt.

 

[JettBoii]

You guys need to get liquored up and head to the whorehouse.

 

[blesko]

You guys need to get liquored up and head to the whorehouse.

is that where your mom and sister are in the VIP room??? tell 'em thanks and keep the change

 

[JettBoii]

It was a joke blesko. You know what a joke is don't you? Obviously you have no sense of humor since you have all of your ratings listed. Get a life.

 

[xjhawk]

After the first page I need not read any more. But I will say this, do not be expecting a ATL base any time soon. Guess what? Its all bridge flying for now. I think they are waiting to open a base only if they get awarded more flying in atl. Yes, there is a bid out for 35 more crj 900's. Management likes our chances. We have some of the best numbers for reliability and such. Oh and by the way, since he took it in the behind during the bankruptcy, we are very "competitive" for the economics of it all. Oh and to all of you that are bashing us at XJ, we had both our hands tied behind our back during our bankruptcy fight, thanks to our government's laws and other factors (our pilot union's lack of national unity for contracts-not sure how to fix that one though). So when we furloughed about half our pilot group when you were eating up all the flying and bragging about it, you can screw off. We at Mesaba are not taking your planes, we are getting Delta's planes, they can give us any plane they own. Guess what, we know they can take them away too. ggod day to you all, and good luck. we are in a crappy industry. This coming from a guy that has pretty much been on some sort of reserve for 5 years and has had one furlough notice and been about 40 seniority numbers from a second furlough notice.

 

[at7driver]

notice the spelling...


mesa...ba

things that make you go hmmmmmmm

 

[Mel Sharples]

notice the spelling...


mesa...ba

things that make you go hmmmmmmm

Wow. I never noticed that before. The things I miss.

Thanks for pointing that out. What esteemed school of hiring learning did you attend to figure that out?

There are similarities though. Mesa has a bad contract they got in bankruptc... Mesa has really good work rul... Mesa has a flow throug...

Yeah, I think you are right. The names are similar.

 

[at7driver]

never made it out of high school. unlike most of the people on this board and the industry in general, we actually had to WORK to get these jobs not just cut checks.

 

[blesko]

It was a joke blesko. You know what a joke is don't you? Obviously you have no sense of humor since you have all of your ratings listed. Get a life.

Actually, I'm a pretty easy going guy. When you get the Ipod out of your ears, I'll buy you a beer.

 

[Monster Buck]

The planes that ASA was holding out hope ARE going to Mesaba FOR NOW. There were some emotional people in the GO when the word was passed down. Delta doesn't have to honor the 80% number right now since we did not meet the second lowest cost for the three year mark. Word is that ASA will likely meet the goal for the five year mark. Then there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth when these other guys lose their planes to SkyWest Inc.

Mesaba won't be holding these planes for you. Delta made this move for more than just a holding tank for SkyWest. Planes come and go at the regionals. You have to hate the whipsawing. But I know thats not what you want to think. If Delta wanted SkyWest to fly them then they would have given them to SkyWest. If they didn't.....just review Pinnacle and Freedom and.....SkyWest and......

 

[McNugent]

So you think you are immune to Delta??? Good luck with that. We'll see if you still feel the same way in a couple years.

 

[flap operator]

Jeez people... Mesaba becomes apart of DCI and all of a sudden we get a lesson on whipsawing and the evils of the game. As if we were never on the roller coaster ride with NWA? Are you kidding me? NWA has got to be the most ruthless, bottom line centric airline out there. We at XJ are no stranger to whipsaw and bad times. Thanks though, to all the DCI guys for all the warnings of the perils of the business.

I'll say it again... where were all of YOU when Mesaba was shrinking, furloughing and going through hell the last 6 years when you were all GROWING?

 

[Monster Buck]

So you think you are immune to Delta??? Good luck with that. We'll see if you still feel the same way in a couple years.

I'll assume you were replying to me. Immune? Did you read the post? Did you look at my third sentence? Did you see the highlights in my quote that I was refering to? You are enlightening no one. Mesaba as others have gone through this crap for years. Mesaba grew when Express I shrunk. Then vice versa. Mesaba pilots are well versed on this, don't worry.

 

[Tarzan]

Mesaba won't be holding these planes for you. Delta made this move for more than just a holding tank for SkyWest. Planes come and go at the regionals. You have to hate the whipsawing. But I know thats not what you want to think. If Delta wanted SkyWest to fly them then they would have given them to SkyWest. If they didn't.....just review Pinnacle and Freedom and.....SkyWest and......

I'm not digging at guys that are aware of the game. I am very aware of the whipsaw game. DCI plays it very well. I also understand the business end of the deal. You guys got hosed when Spanjers put you guys into BK. Now you're seeing some planes coming your way because you have a junior pilot group with BK imposed rates.

What I was poking at is some of these kids who put these posts gloating about XJ is getting Freedom planes. What they fail to understand is that could well change in a couple of years. Being owned by Delta means they can do whatever they choose with the company. Just because there is an agreement to fly for fifteen years means what? Is Delta going to sue itself?

The other point is all the talk I hear from the XJ base in ATL. If those planes wind up coming to ATL, SKW Inc will have oppurtunity to bid those planes. IN a couple of years, they will probably be able to do it for less that than XJ can and the whipsaw will continue.

Welcome to the suck with the DCI family.

 

[flap operator]

An XJ ATL base is strictly speculation. The company made no mention of one and is hinting of NOT having one any time soon. We'll actually see what happens. Also, I don't think ANY XJ pilot has been on here gloating about our growth. There has just been discussion of the facts.

 

[gnx99]

An XJ ATL base is strictly speculation. The company made no mention of one and is hinting of NOT having one any time soon. We'll actually see what happens. Also, I don't think ANY XJ pilot has been on here gloating about our growth. There has just been discussion of the facts.

Seems it would be hard to have 150-some pilots (+FAs) all flowing in/out of ATL without actually being based there.

 

[Simon Says]

I'm not digging at guys that are aware of the game. I am very aware of the whipsaw game. DCI plays it very well. I also understand the business end of the deal. You guys got hosed when Spanjers put you guys into BK. Now you're seeing some planes coming your way because you have a junior pilot group with BK imposed rates.

What I was poking at is some of these kids who put these posts gloating about XJ is getting Freedom planes. What they fail to understand is that could well change in a couple of years. Being owned by Delta means they can do whatever they choose with the company. Just because there is an agreement to fly for fifteen years means what? Is Delta going to sue itself?

The other point is all the talk I hear from the XJ base in ATL. If those planes wind up coming to ATL, SKW Inc will have oppurtunity to bid those planes. IN a couple of years, they will probably be able to do it for less that than XJ can and the whipsaw will continue.

Welcome to the suck with the DCI family.

I am an XJ guy and agree with you on these points

 

[WMUSIGPI]

An XJ ATL base is strictly speculation. The company made no mention of one and is hinting of NOT having one any time soon. We'll actually see what happens. Also, I don't think ANY XJ pilot has been on here gloating about our growth. There has just been discussion of the facts.

Growth... Heck up to this point we've just been trying to get back to where we were in 2001.