ATI and ABX Merging

[Dick Cabeza]

Hey guys as some of you know I was interested in applying at ABX or ATI some time back, before the DHL news (sorry guys!) I have a friend at ABX saying they are about to start negotiations on a merged seniority list. Would this improve life at ABX, as probably ATI would cease to exist? Or is this just crewroom rumors.

 

[Cargoav8or]

After reading some of the statments in the lastest 10Q, why would ATI want to merge lists with ABX? It may be noble, but doesn't seem to make a much sense. Hopefully there is something greater out there for you all, good luck.

"In June, DHL formally notified ABX Air of the release during the second half of 2008 of 23 of ABX Air’s 55 DC-9 aircraft serving DHL, with the remainder to be removed from service by the end of the second quarter of 2009."

"Additionally, management may consider selling several of the 24 Boeing 767's which have passenger door loading systems to DHL and using the proceeds to help finance the modification of the remaining Boeing 767's to standard freighter configuration."

 

[l8fr82hub]

Would this improve life at ABX, as probably ATI would cease to exist?

Why would ATI cease to exist? As for the seniority merger.......no f-in way.

Good luck to the ABX folks.

 

[727flier]

What about CAPPY? They are also a member of ATSG and their profitable also. What I can see them doing is cutting overhead eventually and close two of the three HR Dept's, Crew Scheduling, Travel, Maint, Dispatch, etc..etc..etc. That would save a little money and I would have no idea where it would be based Wilmington, Little Rock, or Orlando.

 

[Jurasicpilot]

I doubt they would merge. They could all merge under ATI I guess. ATI, I believe flys under ICX's old certificate which no one could duplicate in todays world or should I say political envirenment. That was written back when men were men and spooks were spooks. (I believe ICX even did work for the 1st-SFOD) A union is attached to the certificate...pretty much enough said on that. If anyone is sitting in a good spot right now its ATI. I sure dont have a dog in this hunt but its sure interesting.

 

[FastHap]

As for the seniority merger.......no f-in way.

The only way to protect anyone's job at ATSG is by combining the 3 airlines. Permanent seat protection protects all concerned, and no one raids anybody else's seats. David Bourne (Director, Airline Division IBT http://www.teamster.org/divisions/airline/airline.asp ) has already told ATSG management that he's not signing off on ATI's or ABX Air's contracts if they are not fair and equitable to both pilot groups.

Good luck to all 3 airlines and pilot groups.

 

[dsee8driver]

The only way to protect anyone's job at ATSG is by combining the 3 airlines. Permanent seat protection protects all concerned, and no one raids anybody else's seats. David Bourne (Director, Airline Division IBT http://www.teamster.org/divisions/airline/airline.asp ) has already told ATSG management that he's not signing off on ATI's or ABX Air's contracts if they are not fair and equitable to both pilot groups.

Good luck to all 3 airlines and pilot groups.

Who says this dip has to SIGNOFF on anything related to fairness. The signoff is to be done by the crews affected by the whole situation. If our EXCO says this is the best we can get and we as ATI accept their explanation who is this dippooper to tell us otherwise?

 

[hvydriver]

Who says this dip has to SIGNOFF on anything related to fairness. The signoff is to be done by the crews affected by the whole situation. If our EXCO says this is the best we can get and we as ATI accept their explanation who is this dippooper to tell us otherwise?

Good question. I thought Teamster Locals had virtually total autonomy in decision making. Is it possible Bourne is getting his rules confused? He did just take the job after leaving Atlas (for the moment still an ALPA carrier, but I suspect not for long.) At ALPA the Pres. of the union does have the right to refuse to sign off on a negotiated TA. I don't know that its ever happened though.

 

[flyinboxes]

Why would Bourne give a crap? He doesn't work for the place. He is to busy ruining Atlas. That is funny. Bourne isn't going to sign off......no skin off his back. And I'm not signing off on the United contract. Oh wait, I don't work there.

 

[FastHap]

Who says this dip has to SIGNOFF on anything related to fairness.

Check the signature page of your contract.

 

[FastHap]

At ALPA the Pres. of the union does have the right to refuse to sign off on a negotiated TA.

It's the same with the IBT, except for in this case the responsibility falls on the Director of the Airline Division.

 

[flyinboxes]

So let me get this straight, you guys fictionally ratify a TA after all airlines are merged and Jesus aka Bourne doesn't think its good enough and refuses to sign. Yeah right! He'll sign no matter what the piece of crap looks like.

 

[TWA]

Sorry to hijack the thread, but is the ATI 76 online yet? I thought I had seen it in ILN the past few weeks, but not sure. What gives?

 

[l8fr82hub]

Sorry to hijack the thread, but is the ATI 76 online yet? I thought I had seen it in ILN the past few weeks, but not sure. What gives?

It's supposed to go to Little Rock next week. It'll be there about 7 days for the FAA and then it should start proving runs.

 

[l8fr82hub]

The only way to protect anyone's job at ATSG is by combining the 3 airlines. Permanent seat protection protects all concerned, and no one raids anybody else's seats. David Bourne (Director, Airline Division IBT http://www.teamster.org/divisions/airline/airline.asp ) has already told ATSG management that he's not signing off on ATI's or ABX Air's contracts if they are not fair and equitable to both pilot groups.

OK, lets says all three airlines are merged into one seniority list and then ABX's DHL business goes away. Do the furloughs start at the bottom of the list? We have quite a few new hires.

 

[727Niteflyer]

nobody is gonna merge. Its not in anybodys interest. At very best you will see a "sharing of resources". As an example Cappy is starting to send aircraft for maintenance, c checks and stuff, to ILM. ATI still gonna do its thing, Cappy will do its, and ABX will turn into an ACMI carrier also. All three are gonna have to justify its existence. I would think even the maintenance facilities are gonna expand to do maint for other airlines, again to justify the existence and generate revenue.

 

[Clipperskip]

Ilm?

nobody is gonna merge. Its not in anybodys interest. At very best you will see a "sharing of resources". As an example Cappy is starting to send aircraft for maintenance, c checks and stuff, to ILM. ATI still gonna do its thing, Cappy will do its, and ABX will turn into an ACMI carrier also. All three are gonna have to justify its existence. I would think even the maintenance facilities are gonna expand to do maint for other airlines, again to justify the existence and generate revenue.

Since we are all part of the same ATSG family now I just wanted you to know that the airport is KILN not KILM. One is in Ohio and the other is in North Carolina. As far as ABX Air turning into an ACMI carrier, well... that happened several years ago!

 

[Flyer8]

I think that was a typo...(KILN).....And the reference to an ACMI carrier meant that you all would be flying 767's with cargo doors exclusively rather than your previous configuration.However, I am glad to know that we are all part of the ATSG family now...I was getting tired of being the step-child sitting on the back porch.....

 

[FastHap]

OK, lets says all three airlines are merged into one seniority list and then ABX's DHL business goes away. Do the furloughs start at the bottom of the list? We have quite a few new hires.

I have no idea how everything would shake out in the end. I do know that ABX is planning to furlough people who have been with the company for 10 + years. I think you could probably find away to seat protect all of the ATI DC-8 jobs, and Cappy's 72's. None of this would be fun in the end, but I think it would be the best way to protect the most jobs at all 3 carriers. If management is so against it, that should tell us something.

 

[727flier]

Not to sound like a smart butt but that doesn't sound like a good deal for the two airlines that are turning a profit and currently hiring with no mention of a furlough. Oh, and cappy now has 757'S, would the Kind people let our guys fly the 757'S or would they want that also. I say this in jest, and this is just a forum to discuss things, so I'm sure policy wont be set here.