NWA/DAL JCBA Final Thoughts

[Superpilot92]

The Northwest and Delta pilots are at a crossroads that will change our careers and possibly the future of the airline industry in the United States. As you prepare to make a decision on the JCBA and related documents, there are several questions that you should ask yourself:

• Will the merger go forward with or without a positive vote by the two pilot groups?
• Will the pilots at the new merged airline be unified or fighting one another?
• Will the cooperative agreement create a better future for both pilot groups?
• Will a cooperative approach break the chain of merger/pilot conflict and lead to more opportunity for growth and successful careers for both pilot groups?
• Will a refusal to ratify the JCBA, by either pilot group, launch us down the road of a traditional merger process, with the protracted inefficiencies and animosity that often result?

Your elected leadership and the elected leadership of the Delta pilots have closely examined these questions and have voted unanimously to approve the JCBA, this process and the future they provide for the pilots we represent. Please take time to examine the applicable documents and make a careful and reasoned decision for your future and the future of your fellow pilots.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It seems that there is a slight shift in the affirmative in the last day or so down here in Atlanta.

 

[800Dog]

Just vote No! Duration is too long, pay raises are too small and the DC contribution is too little too late.

 

[FDJ2]

Just vote No! Duration is too long, pay raises are too small and the DC contribution is too little too late.

The duration is the same as LOA19. Voting no does not change the duration.

Granted the pay raises and DC contributions aren't eye watering, but we need to work for a strong and profitable airline and be a unified pilot group before we can demand substantially more pay.

At a time in the industry when other airlines are talking furlough and pay cuts, the fact that we can get pay raises and DC improvements that add up to over 21% over the life of this contract, an equity stake for every pilot on the combined list and other contractual improvements from LOA 19 and a JCBA as well as an equity payout from a company barely out of bankruptcy is nothing to sneeze at. JMHO

 

[800Dog]

The duration is the same as LOA19. Voting no does not change the duration.

Granted the pay raises and DC contributions aren't eye watering, but we need to work for a strong and profitable airline and be a unified pilot group before we can demand substantially more pay.

At a time in the industry when other airlines are talking furlough and pay cuts, the fact that we can get pay raises and DC improvements that add up to over 21% over the life of this contract, an equity stake for every pilot on the combined list and other contractual improvements from LOA 19 and a JCBA as well as an equity payout from a company barely out of bankruptcy is nothing to sneeze at. JMHO

Voted no for loa19 as well. Nothing new. Duration is too long! Amemdable date in 2012 and figure two years to negotiate a new contract. Bankruptcy contract until 2014 is unacceptable.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Voted Yes.

 

[FBN0223]

Any pay raise is good in this environment. Doubt the JCBA will see improvements if we vote it down more likely the opposite.

Voted yes

 

[ExAF]

We'll Know Soon

Voted Yes. Just don't see how a no vote can possibly lead to any further improvement in this environment. Not saying it is great, but it is better than a sharp stick in the eye. Overall pros outnumber cons. Seems like a no brainer.

 

[General Lee]

Voted YES. Overall, more good than bad. Would like to have seen the full DC allottement now instead of over a few years, and the pay raises should have been a bit higher.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[qxdash8]

I'm a new guy and therefore ineligible to vote, but I would vote yes if I could.

There are definitely some cons to this agreement, but l agree that they are outweighed by the pros. To be getting any improvements at all given the current state of the industry is a good thing.

 

[Flyer1015]

Will the merger go forward with or without a positive vote by the two pilot groups?

YES!

Will the pilots at the new merged airline be unified or fighting one another?

Fighting one another.

Will the cooperative agreement create a better future for both pilot groups?

NO! And don't let management, lawyers, and Wall Street investors tell you otherwise. Management and Wall Street profit when the stocks initially go up (everyone remember how high the new US Airways stock went when they 'merged' with AWA)? Once the dust settles, management, lawyers, and Wall Street will have cashed out. Employees will be the screwed group.

Will a cooperative approach break the chain of merger/pilot conflict and lead to more opportunity for growth and successful careers for both pilot groups?

Perhaps.

Will a refusal to ratify the JCBA, by either pilot group, launch us down the road of a traditional merger process, with the protracted inefficiencies and animosity that often result?

You bet yur as$! Would you expect any differently?

 

[Superpilot92]

NO! And don't let management, lawyers, and Wall Street investors tell you otherwise. Management and Wall Street profit when the stocks initially go up (everyone remember how high the new US Airways stock went when they 'merged' with AWA)? Once the dust settles, management, lawyers, and Wall Street will have cashed out. Employees will be the screwed group.

I disagree, the future prospects are better for the NWA and DAL pilots. The only people negatively effected in the short term are the regionals that will have their growth stopped. By NWA and DAL joining up the regionals growth prospects will pretty much be nill. Which is good for the industry long term as a whole. All pilots should want the growth to be at mainline, the damage needs to be and will be stopped under this agreement.

I dont think there are many people who think that the NEW DELTA wont be a better airline after the dust settles, except you i guess.

Time will tell

 

[Flybet3]

Just vote No! Duration is too long, pay raises are too small and the DC contribution is too little too late.

What kind of pay raises are you expecting? With the way the industry is now a days you have to be a complete a$$ to think that we will ever see $300K.

 

[Flybet3]

Any pay raise is good in this environment. Doubt the JCBA will see improvements if we vote it down more likely the opposite.

Voted yes

Good for you. At least you're not a greedy douch**** like many of these guys.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

Voted yes because General Lee did and he is my hero. Seriously though, voted yes due to the pros outweighing the cons.